The reverse Repulsion has been suggested many times for the Transcencia. It would be sooo much more useful than Final Judgment which is rather pointless to begin with. Instead of hurling meteors at a planet they should focus on hurling enemy ships because that would work in defense as well.

Devs please consider.

Scuttling upgrades would be great, too.

I'm completely against a "force pull" ability of any kind on any unit because it removes all choice from the target player. There's nothing he can do to prevent losing control of his fleet, which is never, ever, a good mechanic to have in a game. It should always be up to a player if he wants to engage a starbase, jump past, or retreat. It should not be up to a 2k credits upgrade

I still don't get this.. the upgrade researches both "fling meteors at the whole fleet" and "fling meteors at planet" abilities. It's not one or the other. It's both. The upgrade is useful for defense as much as offense.

lol. true actually. incidentally ... what kind of refund do you get for scuttling a starbase? maybe there could be a research that increases it, so that it's easier in late game to reorient. I mean, if you scuttle a 5 or 6 upgrade military one and get enough for a new one plus 1 or 2 civilian ones ... it might be worth it.

There are many abilities already that "remove choice". Repulsion, Armistice, Reverie, Animosity, Subverters, Dominas.. the list goes on and on.

You always have the choice of not entering a grav well with an upgraded Transcencia Starbase.

It's just about balancing the ability with AM cost / range / number of targets / cooldown.

If a Starbase could pull in and destroy a few key ships from a passing fleet it might actually be worth building.

Wouldn't matter as much if their "extreme" long range weapons were in fact extreme and able to hit ships anywhere in the grav well.

Anatar maybe it wouldnt be so bad if it was just like one ship at a time and couldnt effect caps. I am on your side about this tho. I would rather see final judgement be used against ships at double the range of the meator shower. That way it could protect the planet. I would like to see 1 post from someone who used final judgement for offense(as in a defended planet) against a planet and said it works great and he would use it again. Annatar have you tried to use it? I dont mean to sound critical Im just tryin to help you see where we are coming from.

To make Final Judgement useful, make it like its name - pulls down a huge asteriod and does 3000 planet damage and 50% population KIA.  Also IC, I would use it more if it had a better animation and maybe even a custom planet texture showing a massive crater, just because it would be unbelievably satisfying to see.

If anyone tries to say that it's OP 1)  You still have to get the base built and upgrade the base in an enemy system, which is very hard to do in the current build.  2) It's fairly similar to the TEC Novalith in terms of damage and tech level, though arguably less useful and possibly less costly(for one planet).

Advent have loads of strikecraft.

I have used final judgement only in one case (and found it useful, only in that one case), which goes as follows: I was playing a game with unlocked teams, start with an ally in a 2v2v2 map. After my team had got a difinitive edge (and the other two were moronically fighting amongst themselves), I built up starbases in key allied systems, preparing for the great betrayal! I turned out to be quite interesting to have a fleet prancing from planet to planet (of your former ally's), while having each of the key systems beseiged by SB's of varying strength. The AI of course never saw this coming (moron that they can be), so I managed to fair quite well, knocking out the ally in about 30 minutes of 'heavy sweeping' while only loosing one of the (about) 4 starbases I had supplanted him with.

This is the only case that I have ever used final judgement, and the only time it has proven useful (and against a ally that had any brains it would have been useless, as the SB's would have been long ago detected as the thinly-veiled subversion that they were)... the effort required to construct an advent SB in hostile territory AND upgrade final judgement is simply too great for it to make any sense for any  sane player (excepting those who enjoy slow and painful, mocking dismemberment of opponents--in which case final judgement is perfectly suited to your cruel passions!).

I think that maybe scratching it is unecessary, just because it is kinda a neat upgrade in that limited situation that I mentioned. Instead, I think the best thing to make it 'worth while' would be to greatly increase its strength, as I believe Raptor suggested (though maybe not quite 3000 damage..), and ADD a seconday meteor ability that does somewhere from 800-1200 dmg to cap ships (which has also been suggested, I forget where or by whom). This new meteor ability should have a long cooldown time, obviosly, or lvl 10 cap ships would be wasted before the battle was half through. FINALLY, another ability, if the cap-ship meteor isn't to your liking, could be something along the lines of a 'malicious debris' ability, whereby the same 'psionic' abilities being used to direct meteors is used to direct either meteors or debris to damage either ships generally or (and this is the more interesting one to me) specifically target squadrons... the benefit of having it target squads would obviously be that it would knock out two birds with one stone, both upping the usefullness of the meteorite upgrade and increasing the resilience of advent SB's vs. strike craft (another oft-discussed problem with SB's more generally).

Looking forward to thoughts from all, I am sure I have spoken SHEER MADNESS in these suggestions...

i understand how the ability works now. I am suggesting a stronger and more targetted ability. Perhaps on-top of the damage make it disable strike-craft construction, or abilities, or weapons, or something along those lines -- just a way to make a more targeted and precise use of this ability to hurl meteors around willy-nilly and fix the problem of the inadequacy of final judgement. maybe 1500 dmg would even be sensical for such an ability, so long as cap ships were the only ones affected-- could be called 'target critical systems' or something like that, and have a percent chance to knock out each of the afformentioned different functions of a cap ship.

What do you think about the anti-strikecraft meteorite ability I suggested?

The meteor on the fleets is nice but I think the only way it could protect your planet is to place the sb right next to the planet which is not where I like to place mine.Disabling engines doesnt protect the planet much and it has less range then the meteor shower(i think).I wasnt aware it could have 20 squads which is impressive but is that 4 slots to get that?You will be giving up alot in armor or firepower and a fleet would easily take out the sb and not need to bomb your planet from the other side. Most siegeing mp fleets probably have at least 20 carriers or 10-15 hosts so 20 squads will not protect your planet very well from being killed.BTW I have played a mp game where I put a sb at one of my planets and he never engaged my sb and just killed my planet and it sucks alot. Felt like puting it there was a huge waste of my resources.Im not saying it doesnt have good combat ratings but mostly its the only sb that you can carefree your fleet around the well and bomb the planet to death and never worry about it.

actually, I think it's 2 (standard equipment) > 6 > 10 > 14 > 20. so 4 upgrades in total. you can also check it on the menu, gives you all the info on what's there, what's planned and what's possible.

I an advent addict, and Shadowhal is right -- starts at two and each of the first three upgrades are of 4 squads, last one is a wicked 6 -- but almost never makes sense given the limitation on slot totals.

Ok everything considered.. maybe it would be better if the Mass Disorientation ability just had unlimited range in the grav well. That way the Transcencia could stall ships long enough for the Strikecraft to actually inflict some damage. But the ability would not be overpowering on its own. And strikecraft can be countered.

I just wish Starbases had some other function in MP than to watch fleets passing by outside of range.