meh I am on the fence if you using flak ships in your attaking fleet  I dont see the problem and scouts dont do much dam but they are fast bought the only ship I dont use is the planet bombers I leave it for the captal ships

Carriers should not be able to build/rebuild SC in battle.

That way a modest defence will eventually whittle their numbers (and damage dealt) down, and carriers will have to retreat in order to rebuild SC. On the other hand, no anti-SC defence and the defender will still get maimed.

Now no unit needs to be buffed or nerfed.

Just my opinion.

I'm on the fence on this also.

On the 1 hand I'm all for customisability, which Sins is really good with allready. You can play offencivelly or deffencive and in SP you can choose whether your opponants play offencive or deffencive, Pirates or no pirates etc. Perhaps having on option where you could change the strength or damage output of SC or flak would make every one happy. This could be a bit of a problem with MP though, people would have to make sure they have the same options, possibly limiting the amount of available people with same settings. If you play SP you may be able to alter things like this to suit your own personally liking now with forge tools.

On the other hand, everybody has the same, or at least very similar tools available to them. If you don't like carriers because they keep wooping your ass, then your probably not going about countering them properly. As mentioned above build more flak frigates, hangers and the like, and make sure you got some capitals with anti fighter abilities. If you don't like carriers because you don't like carriers, or you don't like there being so many of them well Boo Hoo! thats like saying I don't like pawns in chess there's to many of them. Its the way the game is use what you've got.

Personally, if carriers do end up getting nerfed I won't be cracking the sads. I'll still love Sins, I'll just adapt. If they don't, well I already love Sins the way it is.

I dont want to sound obvious, or like an idiot, but why are we asking for dev intervention to nerf or add to strikecraft, or carriers, or flaks or their counters?  Why dont we simply do a mod? Change the settings, up or down. Adjust the carriers, the strikecraft, the flaks, etc...?

This leaves the game intact as is, for those not wanting the nerfs, or the adjustments, or the increases in one that offset the other so someone is disappointed or upset?

I have modded the game from the first week i had the game, now 6 months ago, and i had no idea what to do. Now i modify anything, everything. For the fun of it, to test it, to cheat a little bit, or bored of that to make it harder, or for any of a dozen dozen other reasons.

What might be nice from the devs, is a editor, like the one we have now, only more comprehensive, broader, do more things, maybe something like a GalaxyForge/ParticleForge/Editor with some more details thrown in, so we can adjust the settings for anything from ships to planets, to how many spawn on a planet, to how many we can have tops, so we get an adjustable customizable game, and if we are online, well, then simply have each player set their settings the same and then have them locked when the game starts.

Just my opinion of course, but i hate to see things nerfed because part of the community plays a certain way and thinks its absolutely necessary, while the other side has to either deal with it, or make their own opinons heard to turn the tide back the other way. A mod, or an editor could and should address this, and then everyone can have their cake and eat it too.  

Just my two cents, flames cost more, 

-Teal

You know what comes to my mind when you say flack? Did anyone ever see a spaceship fight on Battle Star Galatica?There is basically a shield of bullets around the battlestar, and if a fighter or anything really goes in that wall of led it dies real hardcore.

What do you guys think about flack range being much shorter, say only a little more than the fighter/bomber range, so maybee a few could get shots off, but if the fighters are dumb enough to go in they die, fast. Then change the figher/bomber AI avoid this new death area, or make it an option to incase you want a them to die trying.

It could create a new fleet dynamic of keeping ships in tight formation to give cover from strike craft. Or if you give the wall of led ability to caps only, you just made them much more valuable. They could keep the fleet safe from fighters.

Also, you could make it free to replace fighters/bombers, BUT having fighers/bombers out of the ship drains the ships antimatter and the fighters/bombers need to return when its out.

Raven

Well I don't think I should have to be saying this, but some etiquette please!!

Having a difference of opinion is one thing, personal insults are another. You my friend are the one who is immature.

These are all good ideas bt they need polish.  Insted of giveing the flak wall to capatal ships give them some anti strike craft wepons like the flak friggates.  This is much eazyer to mod than the flak walls and new strikecraft AI. 

I think haveing strike craft cost antimatter to produce would be better than draining antimatter whenever there ouside the hanger this prevents the need to micro manage carriers.  In a way this makes more sense as well think of aircraft carryers in real life they need to import spare parts and aircraft periodicly think of these suplies as antimatter. 

Before you start complaing. Yes I do know that aricraft carryers need to import jet fuel as well but this is far ito the future where spacecraft harvest interstellar hydrogen for fuel.

...dead weight? You just called the Vasari egg dead weight? While the Akkan gets the very short end of the stick, the Advent malice ability is nothing to sneeze at either.

Honestly, the big complaint I keep getting is that people run before you can reach them... so why not just bomb their planets? They can't damage your planets with carriers... they'll at one point need something else to take them down. This maybe naive of me, but why not just bypass their fleet? Or destroy them before they can reach the max fleet cap and have ultimate spam of carriers?

I fought an AI with 50+ carriers in the early game, and I saw fighters and bombers dying all over the place due to my flak frigates. Flaks also good for taking out mine fields... if you have a decent sized carrier group to go into a pure defense fleet, where's the problem? Add that into the anti-strike craft abilities the caps have and it becomes less of an issue, atleast to me. If you're vasari and you had to fight them into the late game, just warp in behind their forces, take out their core worlds with caps and maybe sieges, and warp back out before his fleet can reach you. Not much strike craft can do there, eh?

Course, the Vasari can also chain-lock the enemy forces in a gravity well if they get in range.... so in the one multiplayer game I've played, I just waited for him to warp in with his supperior force of carriers, right into a PJI and a starbase, along with my vasari capital ships. Add that to mines and defenses and he didn't last long at all.

We count thirty Rebel ships, Lord Vader, but they're so small they're evading our turbolasers."

We'll have to destroy them ship to ship. Get the crews to their fighters.

First and foremost - there is a general issue with this thread. People are using the term strike craft when they need to distinguish between fighters and bombers. You will need a lot of fighters to take down a cap. Bombers will do it with 1/2 the number. But if you have a number of fighters in your fleet, they will kill the bombers. So caps are not in immediately danger from fighters and only from bombers if your fighters don't intercept them in time...

For this reason, spamming only fighters will not let you win a battle in most situations as you get air superiority and then have to take out the enemy carriers with fighters - it doesn't work. You need a balanced fleet. HCs are a great counter for carrier spam. Yes you have to tech up to it, but it IS effective.

Another issue is that people also aren't microing their caps to kill the strike craft properly... Hence the complaints about the strike craft being too powerful.

With any online multiplayer game you always get exploits that result in nerf after nerf. There is really no good solution to this because if a game is complex enough it is really impossible to completely balance it. Push this down and that pops up.

So two things need to be done. First the developers need to listen to the feedback from the online players and do their best to accomodate them or eventually the online community will leave.

Mods for single player mode, maybe an officially maintained one, will keep things interesting for offline mode players or eventually they will drift away.

World Devestaters in SW Extended Universe....

TEC HCs can do micro in system jumps

Vassari HCs have a slow down ability