umm creditsuisse, this whole experiment is obviously not scientific.  from the begining youve been nothing but a naysayer.  Im in this to have some fun.  I happen to enjoy a good tough game, even when i lose i learn and thats fun to me.  Yes my skill is not top notch.  But there is no way to know exactly what some one's skill level is unless youve played alot with them.  In my oppinion this is just a fun way to spend part of my friday night testing part of a game that i happen to have alot of fun playing regardless of weather i win or lose.

on a different note.  Doesnt anyone ever use IRC anymore?  or is everyone now using a super secret channel that im not privy to? either way im gettin in game now.

Ugh...someother night I guess.

I gotcha.

lol, this is pathetic, so the people who claim that carriers are OP are now saying that it's no use that an experienced player can beat a less experienced player that spams carriers...

Well the same is true if a more experienced players spams carriers. Simply put, carriers are not OP and the less experienced players need to shut up and and learn how to counter better. Simply whining that the unit they got owned with,  probably by another less experienced player that read the forums and now thinks that carriers are the be all end all.

Carriers are a powerful cruiser, just how HC are power cruisers, but they are by no means OP and game breaking. They also cost a lot and use a lot of fleet crew.

Anyway, like I said, learn how to counter carriers and stop complaining. I don't want to see this game's balance ruined beacuse a minority of mediocre players that can't seem to learn how to counter a unit type.

Lol,

Timezones and Update wich required reinstall for allot of people F***** this experiment up.

Gtrtz,

[_]-Flipkik

But Vitamin J that's the point thou. If the Carrier is so overpowered as claimed, they should believe they will win no matter what the other team fields, simply by virtue of having carriers.

I don't get it- I think this is a pointless thread. So what if an experienced player can beat a carrier spammer? That is not the issue. The issue is that, unless dealing with way more experienced players, an INexperienced player can simply own all just by spamming carriers. saying "grow a pair and learn how to play" is not an answer, because this is not a "who wins at the internets" contest, it's a discussion on the playability and replayability of the game. If one has to become an expert to be able to deal with the carrier spam, them the learning curve of the game is extremely hard, and will discourage players from *trying* to become experts. And noone wants that- the developers most of all.

As I said before, I don't believe many players think carrier spam = instant win. My point is that carriers make up a disproprtionate size of an "optimal" fleet.

Watched the game you posted.  I could not make sense of your gameplay AT ALL.  49 minutes into the game you had still not built a fleet, meanwhile the guy next door had 15 illuminators at least, plus some drone hosts, and was attacking you.  Then I finally realized WHY I couldn't make sense of your gameplay.  The replay was screwed, LOL (crashed at the 50th minute).

Maybe when replays get fixed we can see you beat some carriers.

Not in this case for if carriers where so OP as some claim it would have too totaly make up for their lower skill lvl. If it doesn't carriers aren't that OP, don't you agree? Things that are trully OP are things that make experience partialy or fully useless against players that don't abuse them, once you learn too abuse them.

Grtz,
[_]-Flipkik

Your definition of OP is so far beyond what (I believe) anyone is claiming. If carriers were OP to that extent, then the pros would be carrier spamming. No one claims they are unbeatable.

Then why complain if they aren't OP too the extend of unbeatable? If I may ask or course. If you can beat something there is no reason too flame it, right?

Grtz,
[_]-Flipkik

Again, I am in favor of very delicately bringing carriers more into balance...I have been saying for ages they are a little bit overpowered.  But the game really is balanced now.  In the old days, I could beat just about anyone with LRF style frigates.  And I was using Vasari...Illuminator spammers were a nightmare, and the "how do I beat Illums" threads were just as heated.  So not only was the game imbalanced towards LRF, but Advent had an edge if they survived the opening of the game.

In 1.05 never built LF's...I almost never built HC's, unless I played TEC, and I only made support frigates to fight the tougher opponents.  Yes, everyone needs carriers in 1.1, because every ship has a use in the fleet.  Even LF's and Flak!  Carriers are now the backbone of the fleet, but need the other ships for support, and to keep ships like LF from hunting them down.  Every ship has a purpose now, so I would say the game is much more balanced. 

It is also more time consuming, and requires more management.  I used to just wreck people back in the 1.05 and earlier days, because they wouldn't have any ships to retreat...nowadays they get some carriers to escape.  I have said all along carriers are a bit OP, but they are OP equally for everyone, which is a good thing.  Hopefully the new changes bring them in line a bit...but by no means is the game in worse shape than it was in 1.05 from a balance perspective.

And a note on bombers, bombers are what you make if the other guy has no fighter cover....most players don't use bombers anymore because more players have fighter support.  But if they DON'T you can wreck heavy armor ships with Bombers, they are very powerful.