Great stuff. But - the big question: can those new modding abilities be used by mods separate/outside of Entrenchment? Or do the modders and users have to have Entrenchment installed in order to, say, play a mod which has fighter physics for all ships?

At a first glance, I'd say that the answer is yes, you have to have Entrenchment installed, but I haven't had the time to look at the new files more closely, so I can't be sure.

I imagine this would be fairly important for all major mods since it entails a pretty big decision - whether to use the *really* cool new modding features at the cost of requiring players to purchase Entrenchment.

Well, I hope we'll get a dev version of the Ent exe - I miss my little insta-switches already!

Well, I hear the updated Galaxy Forge should be out later today, perhaps the other tools as well!

I hope that the Manifest system and limited checksumming get ported to vanilla Sins.  Manifest, would be cool, however if something is as simple as making only the GameInfo and Mesh folders count towards the checksum, why would it be Entrenchment-only?

Well, it's pretty bad. Every ship and building entity was changed to accomodate the weapon and mesh stuff. Abilities should be relatively unaffected, though. And the string file obviously got a good deal of change.

But still, updating isn't too bad if you use a good file comparing proggy. I know IC uses Beyond Compare (and I do too), it basically can compare the entire GameInfo folder and show you the differences line by line in each file, and it has easy to use merging/replacing options.

I'll just consider it for our second release then. Too far into feature lock to do all of that + new Entrenchment stuff. What's the current situation on the # of capital ships? Is it still locked to 5? IIRC there was a change either in base or Entrenchment that upped it to 6.

Nah, we're up there, just never noticed the difference. Thanks.

Wooot thank manshooter you helped me a lot, I'm definetly getting entrechment now (when it comes out in a boxed version unfortunetly...)

tkins are you using 1.02?

because the forge tools reference data is from 1.01 and has been reported to cause crashes in 1.02.

 if you need a quick reference set for 1.02 you can either download my txtbin gui program and convert a copy of you game files OR download the converted files for entrenchment 1.02 that I uploaded

as I understand it the reference data for each version is INCOMPATIBLE with another version ie 1.15 ref files crash 1.16, entrenchment 1.01 ref files CRASH entrenchment 1.02

hope this helps

harpo

tkins my manifest maker works in the folder THAT HAS BEEN  opened and showing the sub-folders within it in the folderlistbox and also the entrenchment and sins folders(if the sins & entrenchment tickboxes are ticked), listing all of the entity files, then removes the duplicates, and writes the manifests, BUT DOES NOT check the entity's to see what they refer to, but the starting location for all of my utilities is the user space sins folder so that it is easy for the user to locate where the mod they are working on and is applicable to ALL modders without exception

harpo