Banning of advent

try banning whichever race they are, citing that either 1) phase missile and RA is OP, or 2) TEC economy is too good. (or maybe the scout rush)

Just ban marzas.Whatch most TEC people not be happy.

I've never run into this, to be honest. Sounds like people who are either good, and sick of losing to less skilled players because of op illums, or sorta bad, and can't cope with Advent.

how do u ban something anyway? i havent seen  a '' ban'' button anywhere

You just don't let the game start unless someone still has the race you don't want selected.

Honestly, nothing is in the same league as the illum/guardian/progen combo right now.  Not even missile barrage; lest anyone forget, a mid-game Advent fleet can tank missile barrage, easily.  I only ever beat a mature Advent fleet in one of three ways:

• significantly outnumber them (more than 2:1)
• with a (well upgraded) starbase
• with my own fleet of Advent units

I'm not surprised that people are banning Advent.  I'm already halfway there myself, choosing Advent if my opponent goes Advent because I frankly don't think I can win if they're any good and I'm TEC or Vasari.

I play advent exclusively and have never been banned or otherwise blocked from playing a game.  Advent aren't unbeatable.  I should know.  I have lost many games and the majority of those have been to vasari rather than another advent.  I am not saying advent aren't tough in the right hands but so is any race in the right hands.  An advent can tank missle barrage but its never an easy thing.  Shield restore at level 3 heals 500 shield over 8 seconds and missle barrage does 3000 over 25 seconds before mitigation.  Illums will still leave pretty heavily damaged if not destroyed at the end if they stand still and take it without interupting depending on upgrades and supporting units/structures.  A vasari SB with any kind of support will mess up a good sized battle ball pretty easily. 

[_]-Greyfox

The only other way that there really is to kill an Advent fleet is to make them split up, it is a little ridiculous.

True, but the advent in even moderatley capable hands can EAT almost any other fleet with little effort and little damage taken.

Not with guardian shield projection, not to mention they have tons of ways to disrupt it: animosity, detonate anitmatter, reverie, hell they could just FF the marza and bring it down before shield restore has stopped working, thats less than 8 seconds and i've seen it happen.

I currently play only advent because the other races can't even come close...

Were you planning on winning with just the marza alone?  The marza is one cap(albeit a good one) but you cant expect to win with just a marza(sorry to disappoint you marza people that were used to winning with one press of a button).  You know there are ways of interrupting Shield Restore the same as there are ways of interrupting a Marza.  Even with iconus guardians there to soak up damage, they can only soak up so much damage.  Their shields are quickly erased when they are tanking their 33 percent of incoming damage with 20 or 30 or more illums get hit in their coverage range.  Covering 33 percent of the damage of 20 illums for one wave(120 damage) of missle barrage is 792 damage(120 x 33% x 20).  Thats about half the shields of 1 guardian gone from covering 1 wave out of 25 waves of a missle barrage.  Shield restore isnt gonna replace that fast enough.  Thats not counting the damage the guardian receives directly. I am not sure if it goes through a second shield mitigation for its coverage but its still a lot of damage on its shoulders.  If the player is using the guardian for its shield projection to start with, then they aren't gonna have as much AM for push and if they are deciding to tank it anyways then they aren't really going to push much anyways because missle barrage outranges push by a hefty margin.  3 ways of interrupting is not a ton of ways and you have to buy cap supply and a cap to even counter missle barrage outside of letting it rape you or running.

[_]-Greyfox

MB is a powerful ability, by itself it can change how a battle will play out (I'm sure I don't need to tell you that). The Advent can LAUGH at this ability. Which is probably why people ban advent now

Sure hope they don't ban me...

MB is easily interupted if an average player is paying attention...

But I'm not surprised advent are beginning to be banned on games.  Just wait people, the Devs will have something for us soon.

The "sins is dead" thread claims otherwise...

Actually, look at this thread that Frogboy posted...

https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/361724

At the very end, Sins Diplomacy is listed as also being featured, so that is why the silence

Back to the post topic.... . I thought of having banned advent games when Lums spam came back about 2 months ago but I had such hard getting game started by the time I could think of banning them I decede if i wanted to play I better get ready for Ilum spam . Though if people now want to play banned advent games I realy want to play those games.

Being a vas player makes me want to cry some days. Every game I win is because of map (netrals, 3 roids in a line, or your enimy has ice or voc on his door step.). I can win games vs TEC or Vas but if the advent player is even close in skill to me. I have fingers crossed. Vas race is micro intessive but what the Advent can do with with way less micro is amazing. Devs plz give me vas Lfs and Hcs that have 2 more dps and regeration that works. And a support crusers that turn faster (like 2X) and the Vasari Shall RULE AGAIN. plz   

Illums didn't come back 2 months ago.  People just started griping about it 2 months ago.  The real change came when carriers got nerfed post 1.1.  The vasari are good already.  Ever tried to beat a vasari SB rush early on.  Its hard to do even with feed.

[_]-Greyfox

Though I am a vas player I dislike SB rushing but a nano bomb and assailants make short of a building SB. Also do you know how much it costs to get a SB up and runing, but if you allow it to get online its your fault. oh and Ilums spam came popular 2 months.

Try playing with Tyr when he SB rushes you.  Even when you are expecting it, it can be difficult.  Advent doesn't get nano or assailants.  Illums are tier 3 and difficult to get out in numbers sufficiently to kill off a SB if the enemy is within 3 jumps of your hw and once the SB is up it rapes lrf of any kind and you are left with no fleet and your hw controlled by the enemy.  Yes I do know how much a SB costs and its easy enough to get early on considering vasari SB is tier 2.  You are left killing it with carriers if you can get them up or a small handful of illums.  Combined with the fact that the enemy normally brings his egg with him to nano and maybe a handful of other units makes it exceedingly difficult to fight off even with feed. 

Don't know what game you have been playing but illum spam has always been a pretty good thing to do except for 1.1 when fighters were great.

[_]-Greyfox

The Vasari starbase rush is its own balance issue, but it depends on your race.  In Vasari vs Vasari, it's no problem, because the egg is the best anti-starbase weapon in the game anyways (nothing else is so deadly to a starbase for only 50 command!).  If Advent can pull guardians out of their ass, a lightly upgraded Vasari starbase can be tanked and killed with shield restore and illums (although this is definitely your best shot at actually killing an Advent!).  For TEC... good luck buddy, but at least you have hoshikos.

Tyr is a pro beyoned pros so not a good talking point if you are talking about balance. Anyway the SB spam need to be adressed but Ilums are way before that and if you want to keep your blasted ilums fine but it is not funny they wreak the game. A good advent player gets three labs up before you can blink and before you know it they are breaking down your door. You need to play the other race for a change. I play the TEC a little and did win the first advent game game I played. You need to see that the Ilums are a hard to counter if the advent player knows what he is doing.

If any race needs a buff I think its vas because except the space egg, all of their caps are underpowered and assailants should be more powerful than illums because they cost more and take up just as much logistics slots.  the devs need to nerf illums and everybody expresses that but still the advent aren't broken, I've lost plenty of times while playing advent

Yes someone see the light  The Vas need an SB nerf though. Those things pop up like flys,   that is way to fast.  

Gotta be careful with what we ask for from starbases. Right now the vasari have an upgrade that can lower the construction time by 40%. It should be reworked so that when the Vasari invests in the upgrade they can construct as fast as they currently do in enemy grav wells BUT so that the construction rate is slow enough early on that it's a repellable rush tactic.

Yes. What we need the Vas SB to start with a slower starting build time than other races SBs in enimy grav wells then with tec go way faster. So you can get one up when you are in late games where it is a lot harder to pull off.

you mean a buff?

I ment buff the Vas overall but look in to Nerfing the build time of the Orukus in enimy grav wells

i dont think the Vasari SB needs a nerf just earlier i took out a building SB with only 1 cap and 2 turrets that i started building when the SB was already 30% complete. if it was my HW i could have gotten many turrets up instead of just 2.

This doesnt work normally against a pro but it shows that a SB can be countered. the only time i Have lost to a SB rush is when i went econ when someone was 3 jumps away from me.