The good folks are out there. Unfortunately it's the annoying folk who leave the longest lasting impression.

Can't speak for Knewgui, but if it makes you feel better, here's a replay of Howler losing.

http://www.filefront.com/14725857/AutoRecord-10141323.record/

I will hold out one last string of hope that it was someone impersonating howler, but you're right. I don't kick newbs for vets. If you've been waiting, you get to play. It's that simple. Only way you get a spot is if someone gives up one voluntarily.

Those guys weren't Brothers, they were...mother's.

(It's a quote from one of the Cannonball Run movies I think.)

I am the leader of Brothers in Arms.  Are you upset at you or someone else being called a noob or the fact that others were kicked so that they could play?  Not being there I couldn't speak as to what was said that got you so miffed.  Kicking unknowns so that knowns may play is a fairly common thing.  I do so myself depending on the situation.  I try not to kick someone if they have been waiting a long time.  Smurfing is too prolific and I would rather have someone that I know rather than someone that is trying to stack the teams.  It sounds like you should be griping at pawelo instead since he was the host who kicked others.  I am not excusing someone berating others at all.  If I am going to kick someone for another player then I usually say I am sorry before I do it.  If you have a chat log or a replay of their behavior then I will look it over and see if any action needs to be taken.

[_]-Greyfox

Smurfing is bad, however i do enjoy being a dark horse now and then.  I think the real problem is the hosts for being to picky. If games are so hard to get started then they shouldnt care whos playing.  A easy way to fix team staking is to have a random team option like DoW.

I'm not the leader of brothers in arms I'm just your regular HEY I'M HERE AGAIN brother in arms. But I always say don't kick for me and I will often leave if someone else wants to join and some noob would get kicked if I would'nt leave. 

I am aware of these things happening and I am aware of the fact that this hurts the community hence I try to avoid it.
BUT for these things to cease smurfing must stop. Cause as Grey says I would rather play with a known than a 90percent chance smurf trying to stack teams. It's easy to point us out here. I admid some of our members aren't verry diplomatic but you should also look at the underlying reasons for kicking unknowns for knowns.

Grtz,
[_]-Flipkik 

Saying sorry doesn't make everything peachy but it is the closest thing to polite you are going to get when getting kicked for someone else.  You may not like that it happens but it does happen.  It is nothing against those getting kicked unless they act like an ass otherwise.  Those kicked could always host their own game as they like and kick whomever they like.  They are the host and they can host in whatever manner they wish and the people joining can choose to join or play another game that is more to their tastes.  It doesn't prevent you from playing.  It just prevents you from playing THAT game.  Like I said if someone is waiting a while I generally don't kick them myself, be they smurf or not. 

[_]-Greyfox

Just because they kick someone for another they would rather play with doesn't make them an asshole.  I would rather play a game that is balanced and with people I am more comfortable with/friends with than have an unknown(smurf or noob).  This is a game and I will play it with whoever I like.  If I am the host and I want to kick someone for another then I will and while I would like to avoid offending someone because of this but if I do I won't lose any sleep over it.  It is your choice whether you want to join a game or host one so stop griping about it and host your own if you don't want to run the risk of being kicked or kicking anyone for someone else. 

[_]-Greyfox

So, if i understand your logic greyfox2, it is about :

i host a game without password so everyone can join so that i can play and have fun but if i am lucky enough to get more people than expected, i choose them and kick the others, even if they waited a long time because, i, the host, would have more fun in this case.

Finally, everything is around YOUR fun. it is your right but, personally, i find it pretty selfish : you kick the same less skilled players that allows you to play when there is not anybody else. Don't you think they deserve better ?

thank you horndrat. way to get to the point.

Hes right, but now its probably already too late for ICO to grow.

i did an experiment, i made a profile that looked newby, 4 games 1 win. and i joined games just to see if i would get kicked. i got kicked from probably 50% of them. Now that is pretty bad.

_|~Uber

Yeah, you said all you needed to say right there (as if you hadn't already said all you needed to say).  I don't need to hear any more from you.  Sure, I understand that you view the game as an inherently selfish activity (and I have a feeling you view more things in the world as inherently selfish than just games).  I don't.  I put other things above my own selfish desires - things like sportsmanship, fairness, giving some other guy without a "big name" a chance to play, etc.  But maybe that's just me.

Now you are calling me unfair and unsportsmanlike?    I don't even recall ever playing you unless you were on a name other than agent of kharma.  I don't care about "big names" and kicking unknowns for knowns is attempting to make things fair for the game because you do not know what you are getting with an unknown.  A name is meaningless on ICO if you haven't noticed and most games in general.  I don't hide myself like some others do with smurf names so I can act like any sort of jackass and have little repercussions. 

I am glad you can put other things above your own selfish desires.  I am sure you play the game for the benefit of everyone else and you do not think even once about what you would like to do.  I am sure that you would rather be doing something else entirely and that if you were to leave then sins online would be worthless.  I did not know I was speaking to the Mother Teresa of SOASE.  Bless your unselfish soul.  If it weren't for the fact that you chose to badmouth the people that did not kick you or these other people out of a game instead of the person that did, I would think you were damn near the perfect specimen of online gaming.  You are a better man than I.

[_]-Greyfox

The title of the thread and the majority of text afterwards was aimed at my clan only because you said they wanted him to boot some newbs as you say so they could play instead.  You barely mentioned pawelo and did not at all since then.  They were not the ones that booted anyone.  They asked them to be booted so they could play and they received what they asked for and instead of saying that pawelo was a jackass for kicking unknowns for people he knew, you talk crap about the clan in general and them specifically.  I state that berating others is not a good thing to do and that provided proof then I would deal with it.  You do not provide proof and instead insist on insulting my own ethics.  I however did not say anything insulting until insulted personally first and tried to be reasonable with someone that talked unreasonable about others that did not perform the action you were angry about(namely kicking someone out of a game).  I am no longer going to reason with you.  It is a fruitless endeavor.  Best of luck to you.

[_]-Greyfox