I can understand why peoplee smurf (trying new things and such) however, the question is dirrected towards the P.U.G. where people are chosen by order of skill or more precisely capability. 

So, for the sake of the P.U.G. in order to keep things as fair and as fun as possible maybe bring the "main" account. 

If someone wants to smurf while trying new things, thats fine, maybe set up a 1v1, 2v2, or 3v3 to play.  But should someone come into a P.U.G. to get a "smurf advantage".

I don't smurf; one player, one name

played 3 2v2 games which turn to 2v1.  I usually get stuck with the most noob and if its an arrogant one and not listen will bunker up instead of helping or feed me. fun times

There is never a reason to smurf. Never ever never ever.

For me this question is wrong. Z00M. we all agree smurfing sux and is bad but u wont ever change it untill its allowed by game account mechaniks.

So the question isnt smurf or not to smurf, but haw to make devs change character system in sins.

It has beed sad so many times and so many sugestions made , seems like its a  hudge technical problem or devs dont want to change it for some reason, or thry give a shit about our opinion. ( i think its third option)

Or maybe devs smurfs themselves...........( stupid argument cause they can simply make another account)

So if u want succesfuly fight off smurf plague, u should think haw to make devs implement non-smurf mechaniks into diplomacy , convince them that is a new argument for online comunity to buy  diplo.

And me , the guy who hasnt use his main for like ages support u in this 200%

But untill it fixed, ill smurf

PS: considering haw egar they r inintroducing lum hotfix, i dont see any chance for a change

lausy lair , u smurf cause u like dark side

Qu4r "we all agree smurfing sux and is bad but u wont ever change it untill its allowed by game account mechaniks."

If it "sux and is bad" why can't we as the community at least TRY and make a change.  Complaining things will naver change and doing nothing to bring change sounds like being hungry and not willing open your mouth for food.

Change can happen. 

Perhaps I should begin a new post to the dev. On the need for SOMETHING to happen.

Thanks Azrak for that link "https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/356154" was very helpful. I suggest people refer to the suggestions made in that post.

Sins is a small community- we must do what we can to make it enjoyable for as many as possible.

We already deal with minidumps (largely out of our control)-do we have to deal with "manysmurfs"( this one we can control).

Either way, they both smell just as bad.

Quar, it sounds as if you will use a loophole until it is closed and it isn't an actual willingness or desire to stop smurfing.  You are basically saying you will until you are forced not to by the developers in some way.  That is the way the other smurfs will be as well.  Change can either come from the community or the developers.  If people would kick those that are smurfy looking out of their game then there would be less incentive to smurf.  That isn't friendly to the actual new though.  Developer intervention would make this a lot easier though but from past behavior(not fixing smurfing in 2 years) it is unlikely it will occur.  I do not smurf myself and never have.  Smurfs are rationalizing it if they say they are doing it to try new things.  No one cares about stats.  They do it simply because they want to take advantage of unknown status to imbalance teams in their favor or to cause grief or mischief in one manner or another.  I would be in favor of curbing smurfing in any way though.

[_]-Greyfox

Don't be mad at me for your flip-flop attitude on the subject. 

You say it "sux and is bad", but I'll do it anyway.. Pick a side. Where is the logic? 

Does this mean since you continue to do it you "sux and is bad"? 

It's looking awesome for the bad team, because 80% (and I'm being fairly careful with my guess here) don't even bother to check the forums and thus won't make their opinion known and 90% of those smurf all day. You win, we lose. That's why there's the need for rule enforcement in this world. A single human might be capable of rational behaviour (not necessarily though), but a large group just gets out of control because sooner or less everyone acts solely to his advantage since 'everyone else does it as well'. Screw that.

But ill be honest with you, once you played with you guys for a long time, you start to know who the smurfs are. For example, me and quar know all out smuStrarfs, just becuase he know how i play, and I know how he plays.

Berz usally likes to expand civic, nearly everytime, before attacking or rushing you, usally take 3 planets, then hits you with spammied illums and a progen.

JJ smurfs are also easy, if your being attacked in the first 50 seconds, then its jj.

Tyr ALWAYS keeps the same logo and Colour, but is always easy to know who he is by the way he plays.

Quar usally likes to rush you with an sb, or he is easly tellable late game as he loves kosta, always builds kostra late game.

Siddy dont smurf anymore, he always uses vampire smurf (.... - something like that.

If the guys trash talks alot, and likes to piss off other people, then its starplayer. Usally says the word Ni***

If I smurf, I only smurf for two games and ALWAYS A VASAIR PLAYER! - I need training with vas, so i msurf with them. my smurfs usally last 1 or 2 games and then i tell people who i am. I NEVER ARGUE WITH ANYONE, I DONT ARGUE WITH NOOBS, only if someome starts on me.

GOD SAVE OUR SMURFS!

I find it pretty easy to spot a smurf before a game, and then easier during and after the game. If I'm not sure about someone, Im certainly sure after a game with them, then its just a matter of whether I want to play with them again. So yeah, smurfing sucks, but I dont really have a big problem with it. I smurf all the danged time, but all my smurfs have records indicative of my skill so . PLus I smurf so much that 4 of the 5 accounts I have are around the same number of games played (between about 50 and 80). So when people are like "hey go get your main you smurf" and Im all like "I dont have one". So whatever.

Im not flip-floping. I think smurfs should be removed by devs. And i say ill smurf untill it isnt.

Azrak sad in best words what i couldnt explain.

Besides there is 1 more think noone mentioned. Only 2-3 peeps can identifi my smurf after 1 game, rest will know im a smurf im good, maybe im a DT smurf ( i like when peeps see a DT smurfs after every corner) but they wont know whith one. so they dont know whith variant of rush to expect.

Only Grey is so nice and let me SB him every time we play and even when he knows whats going  to happen , rest wil be prepared. thats my litte advantage. but still i think smurfs should be fixed, right after f***n bugged lums