@myfist0 - Look here for the most recent attempt. https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/379304. Raging Amish also had a community balance mod that took a back seat around when 1.18 came out if I remember right.

I actually liked the 1.18(1)/1.04(1) balance more so than the current situation.

I just managed to beat jbaum with the 2 skirantra start.

there was no feed, there was no ally intervention... although i think i had the better map position.

anyways, here is the replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?zmnzmmjuyh3 

alot of the good players can read the tea leaves... he had only 2 military labs, and would need to build a third to build a starbase... by which time i would have moved in with my fleet... and he couldnt expand without building 2 civic labs thanks to his starting location... he was preety stuck, and i had the better econ. his team mates were not doing well enough to bother trying to dig in either... arrk was playing simcity for most of the game, why was being doubled... lepar was doing well, but 1 out of 4 aint that good. 

well, i did have to fight for the center of the map... course the guy i was fighing was being doubled... and i was closer... soez...  i just watched the replay myself... and i felt like jbaum was not at the top of his game that day... he was very indecisive (his marza jumped to my planet, and then did a u-turn), he made questionable cap ship desisions (a marza with its first upgrade incindary shells? a kol with lv 1 gauss rail gun... what?(lv 2 flack burst ofcourse))  he never sent a colony ship to the neutral i had guarded by a single scout...

it was really funny though... 30 min in jbaum was like

"/a well, its good game here"

and then his (smurf) ally was like

"you got him?"

"no, he got me."

and his ally was so stunned he had to double check and ask again.

course... this only means that i will be first pick/captain for a while... which means that my win ratio is about to nose-dive...

Tho Im really new with 8 or so games (name WazzaDuke)  i agree this is a BS strategy. in a 2v2 the pros on each team faught out while i pwned the other noob (Advent) who pretty much had a progen,flaks, halcyon, and disciples. i MURDERED his early fleet with lrms and dual skirantas... yes this should be balanced, Perhaps the bombers shouldnt spawn instantly or something like that.

I left multiplayer a few months ago, and the 'lum spam was going strong. I come back to the forums, and the VASARI are now the dominant race? I did NOT see that coming (they were always viewed as weak). Seems like everything has degenerated into spam... So sad...

And for scmorris: karma is just a silly little way of telling someone you appreciate what they do or say. Usually people with high amounts of karma are big contributors.

Vasari has never really been weak.  Playing advent only I have always dreaded vasari opponents more so than other advent or TEC even when advent was supposedly the OP race.  Its funny how even a small change in power/perception can switch everyone from thinking one is weak to thinking one is strong.  Vasari were not changed that much but now they are the dominant race that 3 out of 4 players play anymore when before everyone thought advent was great.  My opinion is that certain vasari things were OP before but no one paid attention to them because a few vocal people(mostly vasari players) griped very loudly about illums and advent in general.  Once they got their way it became obvious that vasari had their own issues.  I don't think vasari as terribly OP but they are somewhat.  I am just tired of being forced to build a carrier cap just to stay in the running.  They didn't need buffed to begin with much less several buffs to the skirantra specifically.  I am surprised anymore when a vasari player picks something other than a skirantra or 2 or 3 or 4.

[_]-Greyfox

we have to be carefull though. i find use for the other capital ships occasionally, and it doesnt take much from "occasionally" to "always". 

nerfing scramble bomers to 1.18 level is a great start, but we must also remember that the skrims, and the enforcers were rather nicely buffed as well, but for some reason, still rather unseen.  this is due to phase missles, and thier amazing damage bonuses. I made  seperate thread for my thougs on phase missles.

https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/383347

now, about the other caps.

well, i think i need to make a new thread for that too.

https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/383363

as far as sb, i like the 1/2/3 squads better too, but right now, its a bit too powerfull.  Someone suggusted nerfing the cooldown by 5 seconds to get the number of squads the exact same as 1.81, but with the multiple squad launch, and i think this is a great plan, however, when a skirantra runs out of antimatter, suddenly the ablitiy is just as powerful as it is currently (when launching is dependant on antimatter and not cooldown)... so In addition to the slightly longer coodown, I would ask for the antimatter cost to be 50/55/60.  (this way, at lv 3 and lv 1, and almost lv 2, the antimatter cost is the same as it was in 1.81.... 20 am/squad.

does that seem decent? 

However, boosting the cooldown times by 5 seconds doesn't produce the same number of squads... you would need to implement cooldown times of 40/50/60 seconds to achieve that.  Level 3 of Scramble Bombers would still be stronger than the L6 power Anima Tempest, because of the extra duration. 

The single squad launch was meant to be the drawback that prevented Scramble Bombers from rivalling Anima Tempest.  With a multiple squad launch a reduced duration would be appropriate.  Just having the same squad production rate as it was with 1.18, but with multiple launches, would lead to a stronger ability.