Doing single unit vs unit test is a controlled way of testing and repeatable.  If you want to factor the rest of the game which involves player skill, surrounding planet, etc then good luck. 

btw lrms fight lrms all the time. So do scouts vs scout and lf vs lf

Yes, you do only have my word, because last time I posted proof like replays, like bugged lums, many like you, still questioned it.  

My goal is to educate and correct people's assumptions like people stating that upgraded assailants will kill a capital ship the fastest

Not posting replays does not help your case.  If you attempt to test in a quasi-scientific way then be prepared to be questioned.  Any attempt at scientific method requires questioning as par for the course.  Not posting replays whether you are questioned or not casts doubt on your assertions.  Generally I am not prepared to take the word of someone who regularly attempts to deceive others by smurfing.  Since I have not seen you or heard anyone that has seen you online in quite a while, it is easy to deduce this is what you have been doing(and very likely the reason you do not post the replay since it would uncover a smurf).  The test in the OP was not about caps but LRF.  There is no question of your skill in game but skill does not necessarily make me take you at face value.

Highly debateable and certainly situational.  HC strength means shit in a world of vasari bomber spam.  The only reason anyone still says LF and scouts for advent is because its one of the few things that works against vasari assailant and skirantra spam.  Carrier cruisers are extremely debateable since vas SC are the strongest, most durable ones and repaired by one of the very things vasari spam(skirantra).  You leave out many many vasari advantages which is not just SB thats for damn sure.  This should include at the very least carrier cap, phasic traps(which negate any amount of your supposed OP advent carriers), SB, kostura, subverters amongst others.  This list shows you to be minimizing the advantages of a race widely believed to be overpowered at present and leads one to believe there is a great amount of bias towards preventing a vasari nerf.  I am biased towards advent certainly and do not deny that since its the only race I play as most here know.  I am at least upfront about it.

[_]-Greyfox

Sorry JJ but you seem biased.Your posts seem centered around proving why vas is fine as is.I do not remember you ever saying vas is op in any area.I think the most opinions are centered around the fact that vas have pm+sb+lrf+easiest tec switch of the game thanks to pm on all commonly used ships and sc+easiest ways to disable entire fleets of sc+easiest way to destroy large groups of frigs+best sw+most tactical base for defense and offense.Im sure I missed something but they are a bit behind in eco which CAN easily be made up for with neutrals.You fail to acknowledge any of these combos.If the jav was not overall similiar with the kanrack by spamming the crap out of it then noone would compete with vas in mp.Yes I know about tier0-1 spam for advent.I have never heard anyone say it was fun to do that.Why would anyone want to play a race in a strategy game where the main combat unit is the scout.

Anyway I do believe your tests.The main problems with vas are its combos and how great they work for them mainly vs advent.The reason why people complain about the kanrack imo is because their power is decieveing with the current level of pm.Thier power is not always related to numbers that are shown like a jav or ilum is.So people want some of the combos nerfed in some way without changing vas to much.I just want a nerf to skirantra.I would also be ok with a revert of all carrier caps and then a minor buff so they are not crap again.I completely agree with your map suggestions.I could say a minor nerf to sub(if no changes to fighters happen).Maybe disable reduced to 18-16 sec instead of 20(I would lean to 18).Phasic trap needs nerfed as well.

I have proved to quar that a vas on equal grounds (no neutrals and similar planets and eco)can hold and potentially beat an advent who spams scout+lf+flak.

But do players complain about Assailants, anyway? 

What is far more often complained about is the use of phase missiles on Vasari flak and fighters.  I'd like to see the results of a test of the various factions fighters against LRF, though.  LRF vs flak might also be useful.  Its not as if these are uncommon matchups.

The general principle used in the game is that the strongest ship of a class is the least cost-effective.  Also, it makes a difference when ships are supported by a repair bay, for instance.  With Illuminators supported by Guardians, ships do not start to be lost until later in a combat, which affects the ratio of losses.

If we get rid of trash like Scramble Bombers v1.19, a new balance should emerge during a beta.  What would help would be if the very top players agree to play each other in a series of 1v1s and provide replays, like every decent RTS games there is has.  Otherwise any attempt by the developers to inject life into the game seems doomed to failure.

Being next to each other in team games, and fighting a somewhat isolated battle, simply does not count.  Name an RTS in which the top players take team games seriously?

I have never suggested massive tweaks either but there are inappropriately powerful things.  Few will play on pre-made maps so random has been the way it goes.  Random is just that....random.  I agree that carrier caps are not balanced.  They were actually fine before they were buffed.  I am not completely trying to bust your chops, JJ.  I am just not willing to take someone's word for it especially when someone is prone to smurfing(deceitful as I see it).  Things aren't terribly off or I would never win a game without outside intervention.  Vasari does have more going for it at present however than the rest.  I maintain my stance that this test is not indicative of real play however and while nice to know is not necessarily beneficial to balance issues this patch. 

[_]-Greyfox

You must be speaking of a different game.The game I am talking about I went mil and held off your scout lf spam as vas with no neutrals and no feed compared to you.I eventually had to switch to skirms but it was stalemate.How you think it would have turned out if I started with skirms then went mil?I lost alot by goin that route and still held you off.I was even on the offense for awhile.By the time you got repulse i could have had subs.I had 4k in the bank ,like 6 or 7 labs already ,and 70 skirms.How did you kick my butt?Who was the first one to lose a cap?I killed a sb WHILE fighting you.It also took you like 10 min longer to get your first cap kill then me.Your teamate killed guy behind me and killed my desert not you.You couldnt even kill my roid lol.If you look at your posts in the forums and what we were talking about you never backed up one thing you said about vas vs advent.You didnt use 1 ilum or 1 meteor.NOTHING you said happened in that game.

You didnt prove jack because I already knew a long time about advent scout and lf spam.It was never part of any of our discussions.Most people knew about it and you acted like it was some sort of secret or you was gonna suprise me with it lol.

I wouldnt particularly vote for a nerf against assailants. But ilums need a solid buff.

Javs are good as is. 

The TEC have hoshiko healing that kicks in a little earlier since they start taking hull damage right away, which is actually a pretty nifty PM counter-measure.  It's Advent more than anything that needs attention here, since this counters several of their best defensive combos and leaves them without any option but to lean on their secondary abilities and hope to prevail by sheer firepower.

Oh man, you are rly not letting reality let itself get in the way of your good time if you think Illuminators don't need a buff. These ships are meant to fill the LRF role of the advent, yet their damage is split among 3 banks (only one frontal) and they are tier 3 for f%#ks sake! This ship almost by itself gimps the advent faction in the early game as it costs way too much to tech 'em and then they perform pathetically compared to the assailant which is tier 1.

Wanna use 'em kill a SB? Haha have fun with that. Maybe if there were three orky's all on each side and you had like 700 hundred illums then maybe they might do better than equal assailants. 

Hunting a cap early game? Oooh yea, all the Kortuls are terrified of the illum dread fleet.
"Oh noes! they haz only 1 beem on us! Flee bak to our basez!"

Nope, I mostly ignore these and go straight to bombers and HCs if I have time or spam LF and scouts if not. There is rly no other choice with advent atm.

I think this one is best left to the player-base.  Give us an in-lobby map preview and map transfer system, and we're golden...

Admittedly these are unlikely to be in play with a mere 120 command in frigates on the field.  If I had that few frigates as TEC and was moving upwards to 4 labs and fighting primarily assailants, I'd probably be more inclined to skip right to Kodiaks rather than spending money upgrading my relatively small Javelis force.

I think a bigger issue is spending priorities.  Vasari tend to emphasize phase missile upgrades while TEC tends to favour their really cheap and cost-effective armour upgrades, though not with the same zeal as the Vasari and their PM's.  So we're more likely to see a numerically advantaged (in command-point terms) TEC with fewer upgrades against a technologically advantaged Vasari.  Given TEC has stronger economic openers and therefor generally a cash-flow advantage... this is just WAY too hard to model to make a good representative test.  In that respect, I stand behind JJ's simplistic model as a good representative.

If we're talking about capital ships that high of a level, then hoshikos and overseers should also be present.  For fleets of 120 command, you'd be stupid to focus fire on a capital ship even with PM-upgraded assailants in this scenario.  They'll easily tank you with healing and wipe out your frigate force.  Larger forces are another matter, but for smaller forces with healing on the field, they will ALWAYS ignore capital ships and try to blast your more fragile firepower instead.  The TEC hoshiko is so advantaged in this scenario that it's not even an interesting test.

1) Mix in some gardas and you're fine.   Gardas are good against assailants, too.

2) Not enough AM to use this and scramble.

3) Most people are already agreed on this one anyways.  Qu4r seems to be the only dissenter on this issue.