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[Advent Rebels] - Feedback

April 4, 2012 11:14:10 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire ForumsSins of a Solar Empire Forums

Alright so im pretty much a dedicated Advent player, and i've always been a sucker for the necromancer archetype so I was naturally lured in by the design of the Advent Rebels. So im just going to go into what I think is good and bad about the Advent Rebels.

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The Advent Titan has been discussed to death and I believe that its pretty unanimous, the ultimate needs to go or be reworked in some way.

 

https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/420931

 

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But I do not want to stay on the titan that was discussed and I do not want to beat a dead horse. I want to talk more along the lines of the tech tree. 

 

  • Return of the Fallen/Reanimation: Fit the rebels archetype very well of cleanse and renew. This needs no changes in my opinion.
  • Mass Communion: This is where I start to have a problem with the tech tree, this tech not only comes after researching Unity Indoctrination, but also Zealous Worship/Unwavering Belief(The two Culture upgrades for the Advent). This doesn't really fix the problem of culture with the advent, I know that the rebels are not 100% culture based like the Loyalist are. However they were given this ability it should at least be good. Make it a tier 1 upgrade, it will be cheap and will pay itself off quickly. Thats just my opinion because if it isn't an early game tech I do not see it being used ever in multiplayer.
  • Expulsion: I really don't know what to think of this ability it seems like a good idea in purpose I suppose. I think this ability is pretty meh, but not bad.
  • Cleanse and Renew: This is actually not that bad once you finish off with one planet, it keeps your fleet on the move with recharged antimatter.
  • Wail of the Sacrificed: This one is pretty awesome actually.

 

As stated above I think that mass communion could use a tech tree position swap. And I feel as though expulsion is rather uninspired of an ability. I personally think that expulsion should be replaced I mean comeon the TEC loyalist get TWO starbases that is awesome. All we get is generally unnoticable passives. This is just my first impression so lets see what you guys think.

 

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Other stuff

 

  • With the new stuff in the civilian tech tree I think you can safely put the Augemented Defense Grid, Hardened Cities, and Phase Jump Inhibitors inside the Security Tree(It is severely lacking in content)
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jurgensdl
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Reply #1 April 5, 2012 3:29:25 AM
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On Mass Communion:

My feeling is that this is more meant to be an answer to culture pressure than a boost to cultural conquest. Sortoff a drop-it-like-its-hot type of thing, especially when facing Loyalist Advent scum. That way you can easily throw down 3 culture centres on a key world if you start noticing some serious culture...

However, how this fit in with the steep prerequisites, I don't know. To be perfectly honest, I just got my *** handed to me by the AI whilst playing Rebels, so I should probably just shutup.

The rest of the upgrades are nice, but to be very honest I didn't really notice it in-game (the Loyalist techs were very prominent). The only one that I did notice was the amazing shield regen upgrade... using hit-and-run warfare was the only way I could break through a TEC/L wall, and in this case the shield regen+Temple of Renewal Shield regen came VERY handy...

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Reply #2 April 5, 2012 3:36:25 AM
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IMO I think Mass Communion should go down a tier and be linked from the culture centre unlock research itself instead of the booster techs. Anyone else think that would work?

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Reply #3 April 5, 2012 3:58:05 AM
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Quoting ChaosMaster130,
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IMO I think Mass Communion should go down a tier and be linked from the culture centre unlock research itself instead of the booster techs. Anyone else think that would work?

Yeah its pretty useless where it is now

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Reply #4 April 5, 2012 11:41:51 AM
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Quoting ChaosMaster130,
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IMO I think Mass Communion should go down a tier and be linked from the culture centre unlock research itself instead of the booster techs. Anyone else think that would work?

 

Culture has always been gimicky, especially for the advent. The TEC have trade early on, the Vasari can upgrade their Ore/Crystal mining at the same time, our economical device is culture which unfortunately doesen't do much except for the Advent Loyalist. I understand that is their niche, but as I said we were given the ability(Mass Communion) they should make it useful.

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