SO it doe not help with any of my strategic problems nor does it help fix why we liked the other versions. Nor does it make it useful which is what this damages.

Obviously you did not read my complaints when you posted this.  Because I play super large multi-star games. A limited amount of guns is completely useless to me.  It is also completely useless to almost any player who plays Advent or Varsaris.

Uhm, the Vasari's is probably still the most useful one... you got the Kostura because of its phase stabilization unit, and the advents was always bad. And as stated above we don't need another thread on this.

We didn't need the 20 or so threads calling for the Novalith nerf did we?

Again the superweapon limit should be removed. You are limiting options that you can take.

Emplear, as a fellow Vasari player, I do not feel your pain.  Kosturas can be used for bombardment, yes, but ever since the nerf way back when they went from uber to just good, they aren't worth it.  They are primarily for jumping in your fleet to the enemy's rear worlds, so this nerf has almost no effect on the Vasari.

You can debate the Nova all you want because technically you don't need more than 4 and yes, once a player brings those first few online, you need to strike unless you turtle, at which point all I have to say is don't turtle.

It's an AI he is playing against. Wtf Are you saying? Not everybody plays MP here.

You can do anything against the AI and win and he wants to win his way because it's enjoyable to see all those planets get blown to dust so he likes to spam novaliths. What's the problem here. It was the AI issue that caused the Novalith spam against players.

super weapons dont come into play in MP game most of the time so it needs to be balanced in SP

Exactly, superweapons were never a problem in multiplayer. It was the single players who were sick of Novalith spamming by the AI that brought about this limit.

Rolling back updates though is not fun (you can also roll back to before the AI used superweapons). Honestly, the problem was with the AI, fix that instead of limiting the number of superweapons (which is already limited by tactical slots anyways).

Being on the receiving end of a Novalith spam can be unfun for the players but so is this limit.

not really, regardless of who plays it, the multiplayer community should come first.

you balance things according to human input, but a computer which cheats, likewise you're all crying now the ai and use supers, like i said before in another post it's doing everything you can do.. if you wanna play a city build go back to sim city :/

I think it would be better to rool back to version where ai does not build superweapons that limit them if you guys cannot balance early ai super weapons spam.

In any way this issue only pops up with vicious ai and his ability to start building things even before they are finished researching and even then only with TEC loyalist. Vicious should be ultimate ai anyway and therefore beatable only by best players so i say keep things as they were before limit was set up.

people also keep going on about it being early, but really early is anything in the first 20-30mins, any more and you have ample time to either win or get your own, defences or whatever.

im against the cap, not that i use more than 4 at a time, but in a mp stalemate, having 7 on hold waiting to kill 2 specific planets or whatever is a really nice thing.

But it seems like the sp community could just take some lessons from the mp community in regards to speed..

Lets count the number of people online on rebellion ICO.

Lets count the number of people steam says play rebellion.

When i did this i got ~130/1000 = 13% of the players who played sins that day were all online at ONE TIME.

lets not be stupid dumb and use questionable statistics which are clearly incorrect,  and out of date.