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First time playing as them and I dont see anything really powerful that they have. Note that I do not have the Maw yet, but the Titan seems pretty weak.
What 8 upgrades do you put on your vasari starbase?
yea the devs need to buff then up 15% more damage to the loyalist titan (all weapons)- that should do it, double the amount of credits given when you maw ships! and reduce the cool down time of the maw...
VL are very powerful. Accelerated Wave Cannons puts WC's on almost as good a ground as PM's! Energized Pulse Charging is also very good. Stripped To The Core is incredibly powerful when Kostura-jumping.
The Vorastra isn't a combat titan, though Desperation is actually fairly good because it significantly increases the titan's DPS. The Maw nullifies enemy frigates.
Um, VL is quite possibly the most powerful race right now. So the titan may be a little weak before lvl 6, but so what. Just strip a few planets and rush 2000 fleet supply.
That's the other thing.. While everyone else is worrying about that petty 75% upkeep tax on income, you can just strip planets for raw, untaxed income, making 2000 fleet supply very viable. Oh, and your advanced version of RA lets you pick what you get from phase gates which you can build with your titan, all at significantly reduced prices from the defaults.
howdidudothat, youre thinking of the VR
For kostura jumping, does my fleet have to be in the well with the kostura cannon? How do I use it? I havent been able to manually target wells with the cannon. Then if I do a jump to a well, presumably to a far off isolated planet, how do I get back in a reasonable amount of time
How knows what he's talking about.
Phase Gates, Orkies with Phase Stabilizer Arrays, and Stabilize Phase Space on the Antorak create Phase Nodes on the orbited planet. Kosturas also make nodes at the target planet, allowing ships to jump from one planet with a Phase Node directly to the target planet. Then, simply use one of the above methods (keeping in mind the Vorastra can spawn Phase Gates wherever it goes) to get back home after stripping the planet.
What does this mean? Im way lost on this
"Oh, and your advanced version of RA lets you pick what you get from phase gates which you can build with your titan, all at significantly reduced prices from the defaults."
Then, simply use one of the above methods (keeping in mind the Vorastra can spawn Phase Gates wherever it goes) to get back home after stripping the planet.
Did not see any above methods. Please describe how exactly youd get your entire fleet back from a stranded location that you used a kostura to get to
Returning Armada. It allows you to build your fleet quickly and cheaper then by shipyards.
The VL Titan can spawn a phase gate that then can be used to get back.
Ok so the titan uses itself as a phase gate and can transport your fleet and itself back
Returning Armada sounds pretty nice.. How exactly do I use it?
No. The Vorastra literally spawns a phase gate from which you can use RA or jump.
And these were the "above methods:"
"Phase Gates, Orkies with Phase Stabilizer Arrays, and Stabilize Phase Space on the Antorak"
Your baby has ADD? 
And it's good to know RA has been revamped since i used vas last. Think I'll give em another shot.
-Twi
RA was always cheaper than normal. It's just that now you can choose what you buy and can get capitals now.
So, you guys dont get 2000 fleet supply every game regardless of race?
Not even close. Against the AI you can win with a far smaller fleet, and competitively the games don't usually last all that long. The Vasari Loyalists however can get over 2000 in less than an hour, which is why they are such a big problem.
So to the OP, no they are absolutely not weak, but they will seem that way if you don't know how to play them. It is very much a faction that needs advanced players to use them well, as was true with the Vasari in general before Rebellion (Vasari Rebels not so much).
Playing smart on 8x game speed, it took me 4-5 hours to get tier 7 fleet. (By smart, I mean waiting until my econ could support the larger fleet without gimping myself)
I never heard of an online game that long, and in single player, the only reason I didn't go for the win sooner is beacause I was going after achievements.
That said, it is satisfying watching my 2000 fleet jump into an enemy grav well and watch them futily try to defend with 20 ships at a time.
-Twi
Howthe is right, VL have the strongest lvl 6 titan bar none. Nothing like jumping into a gravity well, microjumping across said gravity well and munching 60 carriers in a few seconds. I lost my one online game to a semi competent noob because he knew how to use a lvl 6 vorastra properly.
I had a 3:1 fleet advantage, with about an equal economy. this advantage over time got worn down and the vorastra becomes almost unkillable with all that vasari armor and quick microjumps to safety.
My excuse was that the semi competent noob opponent happened to be my target #5 in a 6 person ffa, he attacked one human turned AI while I took out 4 players... So he was actually able to farm XP on the other side of the map all the time I was crushing people.
Pro tip, never let the vorastra get to lvl 6, ever. Xp Starving is your best bet, followed by some sort of jump inhibition and bombers. Its a tough customer!
There is no difference between frigates and cruisers, just the name and from what menu they are built from. For gameplay purposes they are frigates. Check every ability in the game, none of them will say they "Target Cruisers", and any that says it targets frigates will work on them. So yes, the maw can easily munch on your HCs and carrier cruisers.
Cruisers are Frigates. They are built from a Frigate Shipyard, counted as Frigates by all abilities and in the game's files themselves. The name "Cruiser" is an arbitrary label indicating it has a better DPS, Health or abilities than your average frigate.
If you wish to test, load your game as the AI player [Click the blue PC or W/E icon next to their name in the "Load Game" menu that appears after you select the save you wish to load {Note: Either make a backup or save under a different file name, as this will stop the AI running for that player}]. Send enough Corvettes or Light Frigates at your VL Titan to level it to six. Then create a fleet of heavy Cruisers.
Save, Reload as yourself, get the Maw on your Titan, send it against the Cruisers and use the Maw. The Cruisers will disintegrate as they are eaten by your Titan.
Whoa no, they are not underpowered. Last time I had a match with friends we actually banned them because of Stripped to the Core. When I use them, I just spam military research, because, well, 70% TO YOUR BASE WAVE DAMAGE. Yeah. Also, I put Phase Stabilisers wherever I can. The tax income you get from capital ships when you have the research is pretty sweet as well.
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