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Yarlen
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Reply #26 February 16, 2017 3:11:47 PM
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Quoting Blair Fraser,
reply 25

I've looked into negative trade values and its relatively easy. However, what isn't easy is how to deal with all the trade modifiers. As it currently stands, the modifiers will all make a negative trade income worse which precludes the idea that a value may start negative and work its way positive through modifiers. What behavior is desired?

Well if easily implemented I'm fine with negative trade values remaining negative values, upgraded bases cost more to maintain, right? It would also be a boon if SB could consume either or both logistic points. It would be better still if there were some way to prioritize SB construction if more than one type were available to the AI. Left to its own devices the AI makes really poor choices if offered one.

My own pet rock to polish would be an option for multiple factions of planetary militia units. Heck even pirate raids can be made race specific, why not militia? Five "slots" would be ideal but anything above the current vanilla would be awesome.

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Reply #27 February 16, 2017 6:05:15 PM
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Quoting Blair Fraser,
reply 24

Ok, I've fixed the ANTIMODULE issue. It was an obvious and simple bug to fix.

Always the best kind! Thank you so much Blair!

Quoting Darvroth,
reply 26

My own pet rock to polish would be an option for multiple factions of planetary militia units. Heck even pirate raids can be made race specific, why not militia? Five "slots" would be ideal but anything above the current vanilla would be awesome.

Are you talking about the standard militias that defend worlds or the roaming militias added as part of the outlaw sector DLC?

If the former, you already can do that in the GalaxyScenarioDef file, as many mods do. If the latter, yes, I'm sure basically all total conversion mods would like that.

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Reply #28 February 16, 2017 11:28:55 PM
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Hello "Team Stardock / Iron Clad"

First: A 1 0 0 0 thankx for Your "Sins of a Solar Empire". I bought the GOG version of Your game where My brother has the Steam Version of Your game.

Until now Your "Sins of a Solar Empire" is the best availableRTS-game in this world. Especially with all the available MODs from moddb.

 

Some wishes to The Future (i.e.: to a Future version of Your "Sins of a Solar Empire"):

1.: Please also incorporate / build in some of the available MODs from moddb into Youur game like

i.e.:

http://www.moddb.com/mods/titanic-titans

and

http://www.nexusmods.com/sinsofasolarempire/mods/9/?

So these MODs / Functions / Features is available to ALL playable races / factions.

 

2.: please also make it possible for The Pirates to takes Worlds instead of “just” destroying Worlds.

 

Yes: My Brother & I wants Your "Sins of a Solar Empire" to be as W I L D as possible. Also for Modders.

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Reply #29 February 17, 2017 6:40:55 AM
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Quoting Blair Fraser,
reply 25

I've looked into negative trade values and its relatively easy. However, what isn't easy is how to deal with all the trade modifiers. As it currently stands, the modifiers will all make a negative trade income worse which precludes the idea that a value may start negative and work its way positive through modifiers. What behavior is desired?

Hello, please do not make it possible for trade modifier to go below zero in reality (not just in numbers). So if a planet have -110% trade modifier, let it make 0 trade income (or some positive number depending on a scale) but not below zero please.

cheers

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Reply #30 February 17, 2017 9:28:08 AM
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Quoting Aplos,
reply 29


Quoting Blair Fraser,
reply 25

I've looked into negative trade values and its relatively easy. However, what isn't easy is how to deal with all the trade modifiers. As it currently stands, the modifiers will all make a negative trade income worse which precludes the idea that a value may start negative and work its way positive through modifiers. What behavior is desired?



Hello, please do not make it possible for trade modifier to go below zero in reality (not just in numbers). So if a planet have -110% trade modifier, let it make 0 trade income (or some positive number depending on a scale) but not below zero please.

cheers

I believe that they are talking strictly modding behavior. It may involve a modifier that allows for negative trade in certain instances if the modder so desires.

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Reply #31 February 17, 2017 10:44:36 PM
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Quoting Ryat,
reply 30

Quoting Blair Fraser,

reply 25

I've looked into negative trade values and its relatively easy. However, what isn't easy is how to deal with all the trade modifiers. As it currently stands, the modifiers will all make a negative trade income worse which precludes the idea that a value may start negative and work its way positive through modifiers. What behavior is desired?

Hello, please do not make it possible for trade modifier to go below zero in reality (not just in numbers). So if a planet have -110% trade modifier, let it make 0 trade income (or some positive number depending on a scale) but not below zero please.

cheers

I believe that they are talking strictly modding behavior. It may involve a modifier that allows for negative trade in certain instances if the modder so desires.

Actually if you read his original example, he's talking about the base trade value, not the modifier. Negative base trade values could be used to give starbases an upkeep cost in this case. As far as I know the trade income modifier on planets works fine, as the Novalith cannon uses it.

On the other hand, this would definitely be modding only behavior as no-starbases have negative trade values now.

Quoting Wintercross,
reply 20

Tried using a negative trade value on starbases to make them cost 'upkeep', if the behaviour could be changed to make negative trade values actually drain credits that would be awesome. 

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Reply #32 February 18, 2017 1:12:10 AM
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Quoting Blair Fraser,
reply 25

I've looked into negative trade values and its relatively easy. However, what isn't easy is how to deal with all the trade modifiers. As it currently stands, the modifiers will all make a negative trade income worse which precludes the idea that a value may start negative and work its way positive through modifiers. What behavior is desired?


My desired behaviour, take for example 

upgradeProperty
propertyType "BaseTradeIncomeRate"
value 1.250000

Gives a Starbase a trade value of 1.25 credits per tick (however it is calculated)
What I would like is if that value said "-1.25" for example, that it would take away 1.25 credits per tick, similar to how an undeveloped planet drains credits with it's negative tax when undeveloped.

Since each level of the  "BaseTradeIncomeRate" upgrade property seems to overwrite the previous, the number could be reduced each level after paying the upgrade cost as an efficiency boost reducing income.


Basically all I'd need, is for a negative number in the "BaseTradeIncomeRate" upgradeproperty to actually subtract it's value from credits (and preferably if possible show up as a negative source in the credit summary.

 

If the research trade modifiers affect this negatively, well I am ok with that, as boosting your trade would then increase the penalty rates for upkeep thus balancing it >=P

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Reply #33 February 18, 2017 9:51:42 PM
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Quoting GoaFan77,
reply 27

If the latter, yes, I'm sure basically all total conversion mods would like that.

Yes, the latter. The last DLC unintentionally introduced several modding complications. Hard coding vanilla Sins ships being IMO the worst offender.

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Reply #34 March 4, 2017 5:51:34 PM
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Quoting Blair Fraser,
reply 25

I've looked into negative trade values and its relatively easy. However, what isn't easy is how to deal with all the trade modifiers. As it currently stands, the modifiers will all make a negative trade income worse which precludes the idea that a value may start negative and work its way positive through modifiers. What behavior is desired?

 

if I understand correctly there is a problem with mixing fixed and percentage modifiers.

how about 

1: summ all positive fixed modifiers

2: apply percentage modifiers >1

3: add all negative fixed modifiers

4: apply percentage modifiers <1

 

would that work?

 

edit: or switch 3 and 4?

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Reply #35 March 5, 2017 12:20:39 AM
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Quoting TobiWahn_Kenobi,
reply 34


if I understand correctly there is a problem with mixing fixed and percentage modifiers.

how about 

1: summ all positive fixed modifiers

2: apply percentage modifiers >1

3: add all negative fixed modifiers

4: apply percentage modifiers <1

 

would that work?

 

edit: or switch 3 and 4?



Well, the main thing I wanted was the Base Trade value to take negative numbers...
Though I realise research trade modifiers might affect it negatively, it honestly wouldn't bother me and work fine for my purposes; being that as you increase trade effectiveness, the negative trade 'upkeep' would rise as well (consider it a higher demand or whatever =P )

Basically, it comes down to me wanting to make upgradable capital ships using Starbase code, so they are technically starbases, but utilise the ability to jump between grav wells. 
The issue though, is starbases don't use fleet supply, so the next best thing to limit their use is to make them drain the economy via 'negative trade values', thus if you field more than you can support, your economy tanks =P

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Reply #36 March 7, 2017 12:58:37 AM
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One of the recent patches, it might have been 1.87, made the AI impossibly hard and cheating ridiculously. Their titans are born at level 10 instantaneously (even the first time they were created) and their capital ships seemingly effortlessly level up with a very small number of kills. 

There's also many severe balance issues. The Coronata Titan is overpowered. Advent fleets and capships are vastly underpowered and melt like cotton candy.

The game used to be fun, my gaming crew used to be able to easily take on more than our number in insane AIs, but now an even number of hard AIs are virtually impossible because of their punishing cheats.

Please stop making the AI cheat on difficulty levels under insane, and when the AI does cheat, don't make it cheat this badly!

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Reply #37 March 7, 2017 2:50:08 AM
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The cheating of the harder Ais should not have changed. Do you have a save game where the Titans were born at level 10?

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Reply #38 March 7, 2017 10:44:41 PM
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Slightly off topic but I love the new UI interface for game start. Thanks team.

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Reply #39 March 10, 2017 7:15:15 PM
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I have version 1.86 on Steam, played a game on insane one week ago. I always thought I was on 1.87, but 1.87 is taking too long.

I can confirmed enemies spawn high level Titans. After I kill the faction's Titan, I see another Titan at level 8 but not level 10.

Not sure if it happens to capital ships also. I was thinking it was normal or should be normal for enemies to spawn higher level Titans and capital ships on higher difficulty.

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Reply #40 March 15, 2017 9:44:39 AM
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Not meaning to pressure you guys ... as I appreciate the hard and continuing work ... but have you guys got a time frame for the release of the full 1.87 patch?

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Reply #41 March 29, 2017 12:19:37 AM
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Back when 1.85 dropped I realized that RuinPlanet could only be applied via Ability file, and not Buff files, which hampers how useful it is for modding.

As a result I request the RuinPlanet buffInstantActionType to be changed to one similar to ClearRecordedDamage and ChangePlayerIndexToNeutral. Here is an example of the existing AbilityRuinPlanet modified for such a change.

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Reply #42 March 29, 2017 11:03:57 AM
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Quoting soase-maelstrom,
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Not meaning to pressure you guys ... as I appreciate the hard and continuing work ... but have you guys got a time frame for the release of the full 1.87 patch?

Should be next week.

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Reply #43 March 30, 2017 8:55:29 AM
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That's great news ... you guys are legends!

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Reply #44 March 30, 2017 1:32:26 PM
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Quoting Seabrook,
reply 39

Not sure if it happens to capital ships also. I was thinking it was normal or should be normal for enemies to spawn higher level Titans and capital ships on higher difficulty.

Keep in mind that at higher difficulties, the AI is able to purchase more levels for capital ships...at the highest difficulty, they can buy all the way up to level 7.

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Reply #45 March 30, 2017 11:59:47 PM
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Will this patch be released to the GOG version as well? I've been hearing that GOG is still on v1.83, much to the chagrin of multiple would-be mod players.

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Reply #46 March 31, 2017 5:02:07 PM
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Quoting Yarlen,
reply 42

Should be next week.

So much for free time...start updating mod...

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Reply #47 April 4, 2017 6:21:48 AM
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Hmm, this has been fruustrating me for some time now

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