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[quote who="Frogboy" reply="1683" id="3429047"]Actually, it's quite material because we don't know how much, if any, measurable affect our CO2 production is having on the climate. [/quote] [quote who="Frogboy" reply="1683" id="3429047"]Co2 does aggravate the issue but we don't have any idea how much and what evidence we do have implies it has very little effect.[/quote] This is false. What you mean is that you don't have a good idea. The scientists doing the re
[quote who="Frogboy" reply="1632" id="3428159"]Show me where the IPCC report states that CO2 is a driving factor. Don't get snarky while demonstrating you didn't actually research the topic.[/quote] You're just embarrassing yourself now... http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WGI_AR5_SPM_brochure.pdf Page 11. Section C. Drivers of Climate Change: "Total
[quote who="Dr Guy" reply="1624" id="3428022"]yet temperatures have not risen at all. [/quote] This is why the term "denialist" gets used. Facts just don't seem to matter... [quote who="Dr Guy" reply="1627" id="3428026"] Quoting Turchany, reply 1528 just think about the ozone hole, You mean the ones the scientist now say is completely natural and is due to the simple physical interaction of the suns magnetic field with the Earth's magnetic field? Why are you intr
[quote who="Frogboy" reply="1618" id="3427945"]This is another reason AGW proponents are so frustrating. They don't know the science. They don't read the IPCC reports. They watch An Inconvenient Truth and think they know something. There is zero evidence that fossil fuels are the cause. That's because CO2 is unlikely to be a significant driver of temperatures one way or the other. It's a weak green house gas making up 0.4% of the atmosphere. [/quote] Translation: I'
Generally speaking, if your dog is eating your couch, it's a sign of either anxiety (along with loneliness and boredom) or a lack of physical exercise and mental stimulation. A lot of new dog owners underestimate how much exercise most young medium to large size dogs need in order to not feel pent up at home all day alone. In the absence of that you need to consider crating or at least sectioning them off to a small area or room as a short term solution. Really though, they just nee
[quote who="moobabe55" reply="9" id="3423206"]This was my fault for not editing that - there was some stuff that Bert shared with me that, for legal reasons, I had to take out.[/quote] Ooh - the tease! I will make a shameless plug (in the sense that I'm in the beta and would like to see more players involved) and say that Ironclad's Sins of a Dark Age is shaping up to be one of the few MOBAs other than Demigod that I really enjoy playing. Aesthetically Sins and De
I remember Multiz, Faernal, Achilloraptor, and Doci going back at least a couple years. Pemi, Ghost, and Grimm I have no idea where they came from - but they are widely theorized to be smurfs of older players.
I've linked to Tamsin Edwards' All Models Are Wrong blog before but this is another post worth reading. "As a climate scientist, I’m under pressure to be a political advocate....I believe advocacy by climate scientists has damaged trust in the science. We risk our credibility, our reputation for objectivity, if we are not absolutely neutral. At the very least, it leaves us open to criticism. I find much climate scepticism is driven by a belief that environmental act
[quote who="Jafo" reply="1553" id="3426458"]Because...[/quote] It was more a series of rhetorical questions. People get labelled "denialists" and "pseudoskeptics" I think because they do not actually engage in an honest inquiry into searching out the answers but simply stop when they find something that appeals them. [quote who="Jafo" reply="1554" id="3426460"]I'll be slashing my wrists long before then.[/quote] Lol - take heart - most of the antagonism has subside
[quote who="Seleuceia" reply="1540" id="3426028"]I had a dream that I was taking this thread seriously and discovered that Geoman is actually a bot with an infinite looping error....[/quote] With people like GeomanNL around, it helps ensure this thread will last the several decades we will need in order to check back in on the topic as the state of affairs changes (or doesn't). [e digicons]^_^[/e] It's been nothing but educational to me though. On a number of levels.
@Turchany - it's the duration it lasts in the atmosphere that is the important part. [quote who="Daiwa" reply="1526" id="3425873"]May be the least 'contaminated' spot on the Earth, far as temperature goes.[/quote] Let's hope it stays that way - for obvious reasons major changes would be much more catastrophic than the Arctic ice melting.
[quote who="Turchany" reply="1525" id="3425871"]And there are stronger greenhouse gases as well..[/quote] You have to be careful with the term stronger - water vapour is the GHG with the strongest effect on temperature but it is very short lived compared to other GHG and the planet can self-correct high levels more easily via the water cycle. CO2 lasts from 50-200 years in the atmosphere and we've imbalanced the carbon cycle (including changes to the land and oceans) that normally
[quote who="Kantok" reply="1518" id="3425794"]For CO2 to be the primary driver of climate change it can't be moving in the opposite direction of temperature on the graph he linked. If CO2 really is primary it's not possible for CO2 to be going up while temperature goes down. What's more, temperature would follow CO2, not vice versa, if CO2 were the primary driver. [/quote] I already attempted to explain why pre-historical era CO2 levels and temperatures (the majority of th
@Elana and Kantok, Very good posts #164 and #168 - you have much in common actually I think. Kantok, I would put the blame equally on politicians and corporations (in many cases they are identical with revolving door appointments and lobbyist ties) as far as making and breaking the rules. I've only done cursory reading on the topic, but wasn't the corporate "encouraged" lack of regulation - the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act - considered a major factor in the
[quote who="Frogboy" reply="1488" id="3424658"]Higher temperatures release a lot of trapped CO2 into the atmosphere. As temperatures decline, the CO2 levels eventually decline as well. You cannot look at that graph and argue that CO2 levels are what are driving the temperatures. [/quote] Like I've said before - it's a positive feedback loop - not a simple cause and effect. You're surely not arguing that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas with zero effect on temperature
This is an excellent quick read on communicating about climate change: http://blogs.plos.org/models/nine-lessons-and-carols-in-communicating-climate-uncertainty/
Faction appeal is also a big factor for me. The "feel" of the right faction - from their graphic design, voice acting, abilities, strengths/weaknesses, fun factor, etc - affects my inspiration in playing with them. It's also why I never got into Company of Heroes 1 or 2 as much as the Dawn of War series. WWII stuff just isn't that interesting or inspiring compared to playing as Eldar or Tau or Space Marine. For Sins Rebellion, it's definitely Advent (although a couple of the
[quote who="Frogboy" reply="1481" id="3424552"]Ekko, endless appeals to authority do not make for a compelling argument.[/quote] I'm not making an argument from authority. I'm not telling you to not think about it and just accept what the experts are saying. I am saying it is much more complex than you would like it to be though. Neither of those things are incompatible with each other. I am linking to evidence to support and have been throughout. And it isn't a fallacious
[quote who="Jafo" reply="1477" id="3424385"]Speak for yourself....[/quote] Are you saying you're a published scientist, a porn star, or both? [e digicons];)[/e]
Yes, I read the paper obviously (as much as wasn't behind a paywall anyway): "These observations, together with transient global climate model simulations, support the conclusion that an antiphased hemispheric temperature response to ocean circulation changes superimposed on globally in-phase warming driven by increasing CO 2 concentrations is an explanation for much of the temperature change at the end of the most recent ice age." You asked for an example and I
[quote who="Frogboy" reply="1469" id="3424336"]Feel free to provide an example in earth's history where CO2 levels went up BEFORE temperatures went up.[/quote] http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v484/n7392/full/nature10915.html [quote who="Frogboy" reply="1471" id="3424340"]That's why AGW isn't that complicated of a hypothesis[/quote] Or you're just being smug and thin
[quote who="Frogboy" reply="1462" id="3424214"]There's nothing you posted that indicated that co2 is the driver of warmer temperatures. As for explaining what alternative to Co2 might exist to affect temperature, I'd first say that the burden of proof isn't on me and second I'd point to that big ball of light and heat in the sky.[/quote] Such an epic troll thread...nearly 60 pages on and we still have people denying that CO2 and other greenhouse gases have any warming
@Raiddinn, Our planet has seen extremes of both heat and cold different from what is current and has gone through extinction events but, yes, life marches on. When you say "the environment has developed responses..." you're talking about homeostasis. Homeostasis is something that evolution selects in living things as a desirable trait and there are tons of examples of mechanisms in our bodies but the planet isn't a living entity subject to evolution in the same way. You're
