In regards to this, will the other races get simular deal ?

Flak frigates were overpowered because how damn hard they were to kill by all unit types.

Not because of there damage, now SC are more numerous there had there damage reduced too.

Damage should be put back up to what it was, health reduced as it has been to say 33% orginal values.

Now I know what your saying.. too weak?

Give flak an aura which gives fighters/bombers a 25% chance to miss while flying through it.... after all getting shot at with explosions all around you is gonna put your aim off just a little.



They become the supportships they are surposed to be.

Easy to destroy, but effective in combined fleets agasint SC.

And you dont lose out by having them stick with the fleet.

with the current build

Tec still has no problems if they build mutiple khols agasint SC spam.
Could become very inbalanced for the other races.

Too true. Sc do regenerate. Also, I've seen players make carriers totally ineffective with flak. Sc do not regenerate that quickly. Especially in a fight due to negative 50% production rate. So where does that leave flak.

Well, an X-Wing destroyed both Death Stars... and an A-Wing destroyed the Executor (the Super Star Destroyer). In the X-Wing game I was able to destroy a Star destroyer on my own. It's not easy, but it can be done.

However, I agree that fighters should make a lot less damage to big ships, as they are not equipped with weapons to make a ton of damage to those ships, and they're basically overpowered.

I'm losing hope that there will be balance after 1.1. Flak is totally useless. Carrier spam is the new ticket. Imho worse than the hc spam issues. Crap.

well, I'm already curious how the devs are going to tackle this one, but I guess we will see in time. after all, I understood there would be updates before the beta goes ... well ... rc or whatever it is for patches.

yeah, you would think with all this weaponry, ship makers would consider any ship a threat regardless of size so they should have weapons to counter it. cruisers should have a flak cannons, maybe not frigates. and def capitol ships!!

Phalnax, the idea of adding flax guns to HCs was already proposed (by yours truly). I think it is a great idea, although the flak ship should do more damage obviously. Adding a flak gun to a cap ships also wouldn't be a bad idea (of course, the Kol is the mother of flak ships with it's flak burst ability).

You said it, Vaihlor!

Gods, I love FS2!

I mentioned this in the carrier thread, but I also believe ALL cap ships should have basic flak guns... Historically, all heavy ships had them, and in sci-fi all heavy ships seem to have at least basic automated flak or anti-strike weapons even going back to the original Battlestar Galactica series and Star Wars.

How about a more specific special ability for FLak Frigs...? Something along the lines of "Guard" where you can select a specific ship for the frig to guard and not leave a defined "command radius" of that ship to protect it from incoming strike craft? That would stop them from chasing down carriers and LF's, too. Flak, also, I think should do more damage to bombers than fighters, as fighters are nominally considered far more maneuverable and aren't required to (logically speaking) maintain a heading to ready a launch of bombs. perhaps up bomber damage a bit and require them to positively track their target with a fixed heading for a certain amount of time for targeting purposes and if they fail to hold the track, lose a percentage chance to hit.

Make fighters travel faster and do lighter damage, making them more positively a bomber and fighter hunter...?

Change the cost for fighters and bombers from anti-matter to actual credit, metal, and crystal costs. Minimal, sure, but it would mean something especially in early game rushes when your resources are stretched thin.

Many fleet engagements are usually made or broken by fighter and bomber success/failure. This should hold true with SoaSE, in my opinion. Historically, carriers were the core of the fleet, not battleships as some assume. 1-2 bombers, in the real world, could take out a battleship, or even another carrier, if it could get through with its dropped torpedoes and bombs.

While I'm not advocating making the game "like the real world" in this regard, I am advocating that strike craft and their nemeses take on more than just a cursory role, unlike the past. I'm sure a balance of some sort can be reached. The only question is where will Ironclad and Stardock find that balance.

have yous even thought of splash damage as a flak cannon spreads not just in one line at the moment it hits one fighter what about if it has a chance to hit the fighter next to it in the formation as well //or dose slight damage to the ones next to it in the formation?

that could work but what if it was a fleet option so it effects so that AA's joining the fight do it as well or have it set to shoot at closest squad prioity. This should also be make avilible to the fighters so if theres a few fighters and all bombers or you need to cover your capital ship while it runs from bombering runs.

My first beta game against an advent AI I saw SC spam in a big way. Also made me realize how handicapped flaks are now, because I was trying to complete the game with the no strikecraft acheivement. I had 24 flaks to his 20 or so carriers (60ish squads)and they didn't make a dent. If they did, they were rebuilt so fast that it wasn't easy to notice. Also, more annoyingly, I had 16 Kodiacks chasing said cariers across 3 gravity wells and the combo of 3000 hp/shield the advent carriers have is way too much.




I think this sort of fix is the way to go. People are torn between the flaks not doing enough dmg vs chasing SC around a well. The flaks need to have some sort of engagement range, that is that you tell them where in a well to hang out (conceiveably near some cap ships or heavys) and they stay there and target SC that enter their gun range. I am also in agreement that yhey should also be more effective against bombers than fighters, but they should by no means be any less susceptable to bomber weaponry than any other frigate or cap ship for that matter. I want be able to tell my flaks to tailgate the primary target of bomber spam and watch them tear it up.