Does thsi effect bombers as well as fighters?  I thought the bombers was under used while the fighter over used.  When did the build rate change?  I am not sure I like the idea of having that much of a build rate penitaly.  A small one would have been okay but it sounds like the jumped the gun.

I think 75% is to much.  Maybe 50% would be fine but that may be to much as well.  I have not really played the 1.02 entrenchment, just used it for the BSG mod.

minds idea is a very good.

It makes bombers useless and they have constant firerate at ships at all times.I already said this. Its different because they can do this without being in danger.Meaning their dps has infinite range.What other ship has infinite range of dps at all times?So your lrf or other ships are dying and they are safe and the only way to stop them is to kill the carriers which can take a long time and makes flak a waste and useless.Carriers can kill any ship via fighter or bomber so why build anyother ship when you can have a ship that kills everything without putting itself at risk.There was so many hate threads on carriers and this is why I think.

You may say build lf to kill carriers but the lrf counter is so hard to lf right now that it didnt work. You only needed 10 or so lrf to defend carriers.Thus the carrier war.The only ship that could defeat them was other carriers.Flak helped but couldnt damage the carriers and the build rate was so high it didnt bother you.

This is similiar to the situation now with lrf.They switched with carriers. lrf counter is fighters but flak hard counter fighters and lf counter flak. So to get at the lrf you had to kill flak which you cant cause lrf decimate lf.So lrf+flak is supreme.

I wouldnt mind seeing lrf damage to lf nerfed by like 10-20%.

Minds, the dps is not constant, it is a function of how many fighters/bombers are on the field, which can be lowered by things like flak.

You can still have "dps at all times" with "enough" carriers, that numbers is just 4x what it used to be.

Nerfing flak = boosting carriers. You can't argue for one and say that the other is not a viable option.

I think that the game is the most balanced it's ever been, and I would hate the change the balance because people's favorite unit was just brought in line.

And thats what keeps carriers inline now.Thats the only reason why carriers arent spammed like they use to be.

J boosting carriers is what we need.

Carriers are powerful and should be.If there is no way to supress their sc then they are to powerful.Flak should be able to help do this but not as radical as it is now.If you cant supress the sc with flak+own sc combo then there is no reason to build flak because flak cant do enuf damage to the ship itself.If you mindlessly send your sc to their doom then the other player should have a chance to attack you before you rebuild the entire sc force,but your sc should not die in 2-3 passes as it is now.It should be hard to bring sc down but you should get something for doing it.If carriers are balanced in this way carriers will be the backbone but will not be spammed because if they lose all sc then they will be helpless for a short period.If carriers get old build back and can build sc super fast I ask you again why build anyother ship?

jj I suggested to increase flaks damage to other ships to keep it useful.Flak will still be useful because its the only ship that can do damage to sc.Flak needs to do reasonable damage to ships and some to sc.

I just read the newly posted 1.17 changelog. Carrier speed will be reduced by 50

Well I guess I can keep spamming those LRFs cause now LRFs will be able to overtake kited carriers. And the point to LF will be what now?

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Indeed. To counter that a bit woudl be to reduce anti-medium dmg vs Heavy armor by 25%. So you can't kitte no more but you realy should be using LFs and not LRFs.

Ok I see your point jj as they all have same armor type. So there are other ways like increasing hp of fighters.It would take longer to kill them.Or giving them a diff armor type. All my point is to nerf flak vs fighters and carriers are fixed.I still think if you adjust build rates bombers will become to difficult to use.Back with the old build rates you could switch all your bombers to fighters and kill bombers with them because they built so fast.Now you have to plan ahead what type of sc you build. I loved carriers when they were strong and I thought the game was most balanced but I hated sc build rates of carriers.

Not if they adjust their damages.It wont matter because they only effect sc.Its a given if you adjust this you have to adjust caps abilities to fall in line.