My money is on the Kodies. Best Default Armor. Reintegration on the Enforcer could be the tipping factor in that battle. Destras actually do the best DPS per ship slot of all the HC's.

Good question. Only experiments will tell. Kodies vs. Destras is probalby gonna be a tight one. Kodies are slightly tougher. Destras do slightly more damage. The enforcer results rely soly on whether it's got reintegration or not. Should be interesting

I wouldn't be surprised if the Destras are the best. The numbers say Kodies though. Against Destras though it's gonna be close.

Unupgraded Prediction: Kodies>Destras>Enforcers

I will test both fully upgraded and no upgrades.

With ships focus firing on one ship, reintegration doesnt do much until the end where there are few ships.

I was talking about 1 on 1 fights between the HC's...  I know that never happens, but it was hypothetical...

true... one illum can kill three cobalts easily and possibly four...

I realy don't know it'S going to be a tight battle. From my calculations long ago the HCs were prety damned well balanced between them selves. But I could be wrong it was a long time ago and I stoped at the initial calculations since it seemed fair. Atleast on paper.

The devs also need to know when click on an abilaty weatehr or not the whole group should use it.

Like when i got hoshikos selected I click on repair and click on my target only 1 ship will recive that repair order.

But with Kodiacs I have 10 selected and want them to use their boost abilaty only 1 will use it the rest wil continue at normal speed.

Also the AI can be retarder like Casting 3-4 times repair bots on 1 ship that has it already casted it on. Wastes alot of AM. Would be nice if the AI wasn't retarded like that.

These are the stats of the HC's and LRF's for each race if you look at 60 ships slots. This is where I made my assumption for who'd win. Kodies have the most bombined Hull/Shield of the three. Crusaders are second. Enforcers are third. Take this chart for what you will.

Note the Damage multipliers haven't been applied. LRF's do 75% damage against HC. HC does 150% against LRF. HC's beat the LRF.

Give me resource amounts to. All my calculations need the resources to evaluate. Without them it's pointless. Fleet supply is a terrible judge for balance.

Yeah, not on fleet slots alone.  What about costs?  You should also compare cost for similar fleet capacity.  But that gets further complicated by varying values for metal & crystal.

Yes but when jj test had factored in vas rush advantage and it was 27-20 and ilums won but by 3 so if you factor in the time with it vas can still have a good margin of numbers very very early on compared to ilums.I do agree that head to head they are more powerful but maybe they should be.Its also harder to support a fleet the farther away it is.You shouldnt have to counter ilums with kanracks tho.Fighters should work and vice versa.Remeber to ilums are at a big disadvantage when taking out caps because of side beams.If they nerf damage I hope it is just in side beams.They are barely long range too.

Kodiaks are definitely the best overall.  Their relevant upgrades are very early in the tech tree and they offer a great economy in terms of performance for their cost.  If it runs late game, however, and Advent manages to finish the plasma research line, I'm shifting to the destra's camp.  That thing is ridiculously difficult to fully upgrade, but it's fricken scary when it is.  I think the Enforcer is a great stand-alone heavy cruiser thanks to its self-healing ability, but its attack upgrade (which, worse yet, is exclusive to it) is really high in the tech tree and this makes it costly to pursue.

The biggest surprise in those results is Advent's performance against Vasari.  The TEC vs Vasari results don't surprise, and the TEC vs Advent results are almost exactly as I expected them to be.  I'm extremely surprised that Advent won (by a considerable margin, no less) the unupgraded battle and low-tech battle against Vasari, but what surprises me more is that the improvement to maximum tech was negligible in this case.  I'd be interesting in knowing how that happened.

I don't think there's any problem with fully upgraded destras mopping the floor with the other fleets.  Advent has a lot more high level military technologies available for research, but far fewer high level economic technologies than the other races.  It'd be pretty unfair if they didn't have some military edge late game.  In practice, we also know that repulse doesn't work very well with destras, so there is a tactical price to pay for using them as well.

The big surprise here is just how terrible Vasari heavy cruisers are.  I'd agree they're definitely in line for a buff.  TEC heavy cruisers are on the strong side, but they're still within reason.   If Vasari get buffed so they're stronger than destras in an unupgraded battle, I think all is fine.

Vasari units are typically higher supply.  Light frigate, flak, scout, and heavy cruiser are all the highest command cost of their respective unit classes.  The LRF is the only combat-type unit which Vasari do not have the highest command cost.  I think this is part of their faction flavour, and shouldn't change.  Increasing their performance (rather than decreasing cost) is the way to go IMO.  I think a damage buff would be the best approach; if I could hazard a ballpark number, I'd say 25.

Should have been; great ability and really easy to access.  No excuse not to have it if you're making HC's.