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Graphic Representation of Sins Counter System

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SithLordAJ
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Reply #26 April 10, 2010 2:56:39 AM
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Quoting badken,
reply 25

That's the problem with making a chart like this, it's never done

Well, thats the thing with charts... theres always another way to look at it and/or more details to add (of course you can also add too much detail).

But I do have to say the graphics on both these charts are slick. My refrence chart I just posted is nowhere near this graphical. I guess I dont have the artists touch.... unless you take a look at the formulas... dems is things of beauty.

I hope you dont mind, but I did add these charts to my refrence chart. I credited each of you next to them.

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Agent of Kharma
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Reply #27 April 10, 2010 4:35:40 AM
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Hey Volt, you should make support cruisers counter heavy cruisers as well.

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Reply #28 April 10, 2010 6:18:54 AM
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Quoting Agent of Kharma,
reply 27
Hey Volt, you should make support cruisers counter heavy cruisers as well.

Im probably wrong, but that doesnt seem right. I think if you were to go into more detail, faction specific counters would be what you want

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GJDriessen
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Reply #29 April 10, 2010 7:28:43 AM
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Very cool this. Thanks!

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Reply #30 April 10, 2010 10:08:13 PM
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Quoting Twilight_Storm,
reply 12
Correct me if I'm wrong, then, but would all this not make a fleet of LF/LRF/Light Carriers w/ fighters technically un-counterable in reasonably even numbered battles?

LRF is core, Fighters protect LRF, LF kill Flak, which is the greatest threat.

Just curious.

-Twilight Storm

Invincible?not if u can redirect their targets ;

1.a 50%-50% fighter bomber combo vs a 100% fighter in this case >>> sure thing the 100% fighter will eat the bait while the 50 % fighter will munch em

2.by default LRF targets flaks first making some heavies to punch first

sure thing all u need is a sacrificial goat to win these kinda fleet

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SageWon
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Reply #31 April 11, 2010 10:44:16 AM
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Graphic representation of ship counters has been done a couple of times before.  (Another good post on this topic).  I find the above confusing.  I prefer my simple crude graphic representation:

Basically it goes:

              LRF > LF > Carriers (fighters) > LRF again.    Thats the basic triangle.  The end wraps around to the start.

Its pretty obvious that LRFs are good against LFs (Long Range Frigates: Javelis LRMs, Illums, Assailants vs. Light Frigates: Cobalts, Disciples, Skirmishers).  LF counter Carriers best, and fighters counter LRF. 

 

The following is a more complex expansion:

                                                             >  LRF
                           >    Flak     > (fighters) > Scouts
Scouts > LRF > LF > Carriers           | 
                           >  Support          v   
                                              (bombers) > HC's
                                                              > Structures (& SBs)
                                                              > Cap Ships

Scouts are good against LRFs.  LRFs good at LFs.  LFs are good against Flak, Carriers and all of the higher tech Support (repair/disable) ships.  Carrier fighters are good against LRF and Scouts, as well as Bombers.  Carrier bombers excel at HC (Heavy Cruisers), planet Structures and Capital ships.  HCs, SBs and Cap Ships are all good against all, and wrap back around to front. 

 

Or, an even more complete version:

           >                                                  >  Constructor
           >                                                  >  Colony
Scouts  >                                                  >  Siege         > Planet
           >                                                  >  Torpedo     > Structures & SBs
           >                                                  >  LRF
                               >  Flak     > (fighters) > Scouts   (<) LF & Flak
Scouts  >  LRF  >  LF > Carriers     /     | 
                               >  Support    \     v   
                                               (bombers) > HCs          > All
               LRF (>)                                      > Cap Ships  > All  (LRF less)
                                             >                 >  Star Bases > All  
Scouts  >                  Torpedo  >                 >  Structures
                                              >                 >  Turrets       > LF
Scouts  >  Mines   > All?

 

 

Here are the old links: Colored Damage Chart
                                 Zyrxil's Damage Types

    Also see change logs, since links are outdated. 

                                 Updated Diplomacy Damage Types

And finally, the most recent Updated spreadsheet by SithLordAJ:  or this

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Reply #32 April 11, 2010 3:00:58 PM
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@Sagewon: I have seen ones like that, but I had not seen one that was a graphic rather than a chart (I wasn't counting your ASCII graphic)

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Reply #33 April 11, 2010 8:48:51 PM
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Okay, I've updated the bar chart (hopefully for the last time). You can see it in the previous message, or full size here.

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