I love the Titan as it is.

But i only play single player.

What about options at game creation (Single or Multi)

1. That limits the number of super weapons built per player say 3 or 5 ?

2. Reduces the strength of Titans by a set % like 10, 20 or 25%

3. Time delay on Titan access like 20 mins or 30 mins before you can even build that titan factory?

oh and to counter the novas just build shields gens the help out alot

READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY THE TITANS DONT NEED TO BE NERFED YET!!!

the low lvl titans can be kills by fleets and higher lvl titans need a titan and fleet to kill them. once the advent and vasari r added then the nerfing should be done if still need

The difference between 15 minutes to make a titan and 30 minutes is massive if you go econ instead of military. At 30 minutes a eco player should easily be able to build and keep up a fleet that can do something about a titan being built. IMO titans are simply too strong, and seem to more or less force a military rush which cuts down on diversity. If you rush military you already get SB's but now you'd also get titans? Opinion of a far from pro player.

I agree with KLMZ.

The Loyalist Titan is over the top , like Rocky Balboa is fighting agains a bunch of schoolkids.

The immortal Titan is decreasing diversity in strategies. I dont like the stone, rock , paper philosophie when it comes down to counters.

A Titan shoud be abel to be defeated by a regular armee, otherwies this leads to a game with less diversion.

But i hope that balancing a titan dont means to delay him so much, that it will become a rare seen flying superwapon.

i woud like to implement it in my startegies in midgame, so i guess to balance the abbilities, heath point and dps is the way to go.

agreed

perhaps maybe a certain level of capital ship research? (you can only research for a Titan command unit after this level etc) 

so as to aid in the longer build / overall cost

Am I correct when I say most want the Titan to be a more midgame weapon and feel its slightly to much of an early game weapon atm? or is that just me

You guys are really underestimating Ragna. While Ankylon is kind of armored battering ram, Ragna is more of a catapult. It can't tank, but will rape any fleet with insane AoE or break any defense with snipe. Support it with lots of hoshi and it's a beast.... that being said, Ankylon tank still needs nerfing.

I think we all agree at the point, that building a Titan is waaaays to easy(possible too early).

Basically there are 2 possibilities to solve this problem:

1) drastically increase the amount of ressources required for both, researching Titan-Tech as well as building the Titan. Maybe increase the costs for the Titan-Factory as well

2) Make it harder to sucessfully finish the construction of a Titan

IMHO it´s a must to increase the costs of building a Titan, point 2 on the other hand is optional, but would make the game much more interesting, and make building a Titan more of a task. There are several possibilities to do this, but I just want to point up one:

A few days ago I read somewhere in the Forums, that Stars have no practical use and that you should be abled to construct some kind of Solar-Harvester at a star. So here is my suggestion:
-Remove Titan-Factories from Tactical Structures
-Allow the ships who construct Starbases to build Titan-Factories(this has to be researched)
-Titan-Factories can be only build at stars, since the power that is required to build a Titan, can be only directly "harvested" with Solar-Panels from a star
-The costs for the Factory remain the same, but the price for the Titan is increased
-The different researches for the Titan get removed and replaced by a single, high-tech(6+ Labs), expensive research which allows the construction of the Titan
-Before a Titan can be build in a Factory, the Factory has to "harvest" enough Antimatter from the star(it stats with 0 when build and then slowly generates Antimatter)

Things like that would make the construction of a Titan more challenging and forces the player to actively protect his Titan while build, instead of building save, deep inside of his Empire. At a star, the factory and thus the Titan in construction is much more vulnerable -> the construction of an expensive Titan is a greater risk.

Qu4r, I don´t realy see, how your proposal is so different to the other ones. In fact, I don´t understand what you do want to state with you post: At the beginning you say that making Titans harder to get/delaying them, won´t change the fact that a Titan beats a 100 LRMF fleet.
And imho there´s nothing wrong with it, except that Titans are excessible too early and are too cheap. You can have a Titan so much earlier then a full upgraded 100 LRMF fleet.

I don´t understand what you want to say in your next 2 sentences, but I assume that you wanted to say that Titan-Rushes are OP and you want to solve this Problem by sacrificing a high-level Capital for the Titan.
What is the difference between delaying Titans either by costs, by Tech or by needing a high-level Capital. Your proposal doesn´t change anything ours don´t.

Anyways, I think your proposal is neither ellegant, nor effective, nor beatiful. It takes very long to aquire a Lvl8 Cap, especially when playing against human opponents. Making it required for a Titan, punishes a defensive or ecomic playstyle. Furthermore would it be stupid to have an Empire expanding over an entire, huge Solar-System with a sh*tload of ressources, but still unabled to build a Titan, because you have to "farm" experience with a Capital.
And seriously, who would want to sacrifice a Lvl8 Capital, a Capital he fought so many battles with, and that might even exist nearly as long as his empire(this might be just me, but whatever).
Simply increasing a Titans costs or making the actual building harder, like I suggested in my post above makes much more sense, you don´t have to "sacrifice" a ship(what simply doesn´t fit into Sins) and you don´t have to "farm"/"level" a single ship(thus opening more viable playstyles).

And hunting a Titan is like hunting Mobby Dick if you don´t play vs. AI only.

Think out of the box.

All other proposal says: more expensive,, longer to build, or nerf them.

I say add requirement. No need to sacrifice lv6 or lv8 cap, just need to have one.

It adds new strategy  ,   new openings.

There is a hudge difference between  make it more expensive and adding new reuirement thas is not based on   cash " more expensive again"

If its level 5,  6 or 8, its a balance issue.

It doesnt punish anyone especialy eco spot players. it benefits them.

By the time eco gets to position for attack, he will have required cap level.

Adding this requirement also will  balance a bit differences in income between races.

Normaly Tec will bunker his frontier, eco a bit then rush titan. same whet they do now with spamming lrms , but it will give them much bigger advantage.

 Now they will have to change strategy, level cap, or........... keep spamming lrms

I think more options, more viable stratiegies is better.

Well, the general audience of this game likes large fleet battles with LOTS of ships.

Here's a break down of titans currently from my testing which requires watching how many banks, heal times, etc.

Titans appear to do somewhere between 500-600 DPS to all targets. 

This is tracked by surrounding a titan with multiple frigates and checking how many are damaged. 

Loyalist appears to have 2/2/3/3 (front/back/left/right)

Rebel appears to be 1/2/2/2

Titans have ultimate class abilities at LEVEL 1, with LOW AM costs.

You have to look at abilities like missile barrage or volatile nanites to find something comparable to level 1 titan abilities.

Or a pay up ability on Star Bases like Meteor Storm or Self Destruct which are easily avoidable.

Further the AM requirements are less than abilities like Radiation Damage which is a fairly weak ability.

Titans per level stat increases are huge.

Excluding the passive upgrades, Titans have extremely large per level increases for durability.

What to do about it?

I'm a fan of early game struggle and build up to critical mass, but also want the titan to be an early viable option.

If I had my way the huge per-level stat increases would be reduced ALOT, like to only a couple times the Battleship or Siege capital levels. I would then balance Titan Durability and Damage using the Passive abilities.

In terms of damage it might make sense to add weapon unlocks to the passives, somewhat similar to how starbases unlock weapons. This would NERF early game damage, but still allow for a Titan to significantly increase it's damage output with each weapon unlock.

I'd also look at rebalancing Titan abilities. Their AM and cooldown are extremely low allowing a player to spam all the abilities pretty much all the time in battle. Making the AM/cooldown much higher (like ultimate level) would limited early game use, while buffing the passive Abilities to have more impact for later game usage.

In short I'd NERF the hell out of base per level increases, damage output (by locking weapons) and ability AM/cooldown costs. I'd then BUFF the passive upgrade choices for Durability, Weapons (unlock additional weapons), and Ability to increase AM and decrease cooldowns. 

This would require the player to make choices about how the Titan will grow from early to mid-game.

People will yell at me ^^'

Can someone tell me how a titan (that is a moving object) can be tougher then a sb ...

i mean come on! If you can't build a sb with 40k hit points, how the hell can you have a 40k hp titan (people will tell me experience on the crew but ... its a super large ship, tell me how the hell do they avoid shots or repair that fast then again, it could be because it has the necessary machinery to make it possible and that its too large to fit on other ships. but then! the sbs should have that too ^^=

I don't agree with the fact that ttians should be bunker cutters, for me they are fleet cutters, and bunkers should stay bunkers, they have their counter already, starfish (the starfish sucks but thats for another day), ogrov and vas sb

So ... maybe lower the titan ability to damage structures, that would make it far easyer to defend against on your wells, and reduce their weapon banks

The main problem of the titan early isnt its ability to survive, its the ability to slaughter everything close and level up to being even harder to kill. With less weapon banks, the losses will be fewer, and then you have a chance to kill it, it will also force player to pinpoint their target.

Now for the bug (witch isnt one but i cannot forgive it so i'm being a dick about it)

THE TITANS AUTOTARGET AIR first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

COME OOOOOOON! NO! NO! NO!

Ok i'm being emotional here but thats because i like the titan thingy, i did all the betas of sins and this is the less bugged, and funnyest so far for me.

So thank you for that ^^

Now as a last note, i love the concept of the gauss on the rebel titan, its epic.

Freekin wall of text. Well anyway, i agree with zombieman up there, he has some very good points

the titans r not stronger than the sb i took my lvl 8 ankylon against a full upgraded sb and i nearly lost it by the time i got it out of the grav well it had like 7k hull left