I try. I try. VL Titan should not be banned. Pretty much all titans become fairly powerful at high levels. Does that mean they should all be banned?

lol and keep the vasari fabricators they are cool! they build very quick! OP?

....to the level of the Ankylon?

We can go into what game changes should be made and all, but i think theirs a different thread for that. Fact is as it stands VL are making the game boring. So untill a patch hits, if it ever does, we have to try and make the game fun and somewhat balanced on our own.

personally...if you allow everything...like jumping sb's and wail...you won't have a problem with VL titan...yes, titan is strong, but everything can be countered...and what did you expect would happen once you started banning wail and jumping sb's? the next logical choice for every vasari player is VL...

if host allows jumping sb's and wail game would be more balanced than without them...and VL titan wouldn't be such a problem because it can't go into fight alone...

Yes, and highlight the whole TEC race, as they don't really have anything special in general to compare to those awesome stuff.

I rarely see a Vorastra alone, the problem is it is surrounded by 200 corvettes or 10-20 Serevun Overseers, and maybe a bunch of capital ships compared to your whole fleet doesn't matter what you have this easy Vasari combo easily matches your best everything and this is the problem, try doing something similar with AL TL or TR that is so hardly countered like the Vorastra and it's supporting fleet..

I particularly hate wail as it is so easy to loose your whole fleet to it if it surprises you when first used against you, can be lethal to your whole game even if you were winning before, not only speaking about 5v5-s.

Jumping starbases are OP in general because there are many of them waiting deployment on the enemy fronts, so you take out one, another one arrives asap.. Try to mention something that is as powerful as this feature for the AL, TL, TR... (titans? every faction have titans and only Ankylon is in another group, all others are good titans, or the red button for TEC is so easy to avoid by bombers)

Oh and ZliMojsie, how do YOU counter Vorastra? It seems from your reply you have a way, sounds interesting to me as I most times fail against that Titan.

Just to be on the same page, I'm a VL player...if I see Vorastra or an SB jumps to my system I consider to have 2 choices depending on the sizes of my and my enemy's fleet that is covering Vorastra or the SB...

1st choice is to ignore both Vorastra/SB...stay in fight and try to kill everything else...try to save my carriers from Vorastra/SB, and after that focus on Vorastra/SB...

2nd choice is to withdraw from fight, sell everything on the planet and prepare the next system for better defense...

And btw, I'd rather play with wail and jumping sb's then without them...If I'm too stupid to remember that a specific player is playing AR and that he might wail me, then it was my mistake that I failed to see a trap and I'm obviously not good enough to beat that player...even though he only used 1 ability to make my fleet disappear, same could have happened to him if I get my Vorastra to lvl6 and carefully micro'd the titan and maw his carriers...As for other titans, TR can pose a great threat to Vorastra...and TL can be a pain in the ass when you try to kill it...

Exactly my point: People scream about skill being all important but the moment something is not counterable by a noob who played the game for 3 hours, they scream "IT IS OP"

Unless of course it belongs to Vasari... in which case "it is fine" or "in need of further buffing".

Once I defeated a WAY BETTER player with wail, he was not even near my skill level... So this too stupid to remember is a bit funny to me.. in that game I didn't even think about using wail only after I felt I am getting defeated, I killed his whole fleet as I built labs and researched wail so quickly he couldn't even react to that, and boom his whole fleet with 100-200 ships was gone.

It seems to me only Vasari players are satisfied with Vorastra performance before and after level 6 (what a big surprise). The problem is, consider the following, 2 players of same skill level, it does not take a genius to realize the player having better toys will win, and not every faction have as good things as a Vorastra.. And if you only use the overall strength of the Vasari race itself even that is enough to be a significant advantage, not to speak about the not-even-near balanced Vasari stuffs.

I can't tell if this is serious or troll bait....

Or this....

Or this........

yes, there are no more factions. So if two of them argue the third is OP, that makes them automatically right, yes? As they have majority. So if it was only Advent players complaining, it would have no merit? But as its both Advent and TEC, it has to be true?

Anyway you admit you dont like Vasari, so clearly you are biased here. For the record, so am i, as i like Vasari 

@Seleuceia> so pointing out someone made a mistake thus lost the game is considered trolling these days? Was it you, who got beaten by Turchany?

Anyway, i dont really give a shit whether VL get banned from competitive play, nor any other faction for that matter. It is just funny to observe all these "ban this, ban that" shenanigans. I would bet the moment VL got banned, someone would find out that lets say TEC Rebels are OP compared to remaining factions as well, cause you know, they have TAR and Ragnarov can beat a shit out of Ankylon/Coronata...and whatever else... seems like for everyone to be happy there can be only one single faction, otherwise this stream of complaints wont stop.

LOL Ashanti never defeated Seleuceia, I only played once, on his side in a 5v5, probably lost because he was trying to go only starbase on the other front (Vasari), trying out if that is possible.

So I go by the name Ashanti, propably never heard of it as I rarely have the chance to play online, and I can't play on the weekends for an unfortunate reason.

The problem is that WAIL, JUMPING SB, and VORASTRA is significantly better than anything else in the game. Otherwise you are saying interesting things, but it would end ridiculous if people started to say OP on every good stuff.. But a Ragnarov is not even near invincible, not to mention other good toys, the things written in capital letters are hardly counterable and require so much attention like a brain operation.

Advent Rebel without wail, VR without jumping starbase are allowed online, but VL cannot be restricted in an OK way, players cannot tell VL not to build a titan LOL. More and more games ban VL and personally I like this banning as no other faction is as hard as it is, maybe VR is close, but the other two races' factions.. Only if they had the time and resources to build up properly and the VL player haven't (like it's possible when the VL is an eco player..).

OK I don't like Vasari, boom. It was my favourite before coming online, both factions because they were the easiest to kill AI with, as AI stood absolutely no chance against them, but in no circumstances was it a competitive fight neither from my side (as I was just a noob all the time as I look back to my playstyle), neither from AI (as it was cheating all the time).. And in competitive play for me Vasari factions are OP and many agree with it, both factions have so many innate unbalanced things like the phase missile upgrades, offensive early starbases, best late game fleet, supported by a not-much-worse economy than TEC race.. And I wasn't even mentioning the faction-specific stuff. OK many of these can be countered inefficiently, but the things banned from multiplayer games cannot, and Vorastra is becoming one of this group, as even with medium level micro from the owner is it near impossible to kill. Not to mention Advent VS Vasari comparison, the advantage for Vasari is so huge I can only just laugh that it is still not changed in a patch...............................................

Ah yes....I remember that game, an interesting experiment that did unfortunately probably cost us....