[quote]I would highly recomend that you start and try to run a small company before you attempt to preach how things should be done. It is only when you are face real choices concerning profit and loss and managing for profit will you come to understand that companies are not faceless, soulless money-grubbing machines. They are often dynamic and people driven, do not dehumanize what you do not understand.[/quote] I assure you that companies can, in fact, survive while simultaneously allo
[quote]Some car use gazoline, other use diesel... some use electricity (Tesla electric powered roadster )... some use compressed air ( Tata/MDI OneCat Air Car )... some use hydrogen ( FCHV from Toyota )... some use LPG... some use 2 cycle benzine ( gazoline + a few percent of oil ), etc...[/quote] Most cars run on gas, and since I was speaking colloquially diesel falls under the definition of gas as well. I really don't care anyway because this is all completely irrelevant. I was replyin
[quote]Personally, I think it is a bit of a mental excercise to debate against someone who 1. always wants to have the last word, and 2. is always right.[/quote] By demanding the other person to stop posting, are you not in fact trying to have the last word? By demanding the other person to stop arguing against you, are you not in fact trying to force your way into being right? [quote]Of course, if you have good valid points, eventually trolls will end up taking positions that
[quote]Ah, OK, so now all of us must bow down to your definition of "original post", "first post" and "second post"..[/quote] I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to decide what I consider to be the original post and what I don't consider to be the original post. You are again trying to dictate the terms of the discussion. [quote]When you went from "original/first post" to "second post". Oh wait, you changed definitions. OK.[/quote] Huh? I still don't understand where I was changi
[quote]You say you cannot play the game at all, which is a lie.[/quote] Uuh... what? I'm fully aware of the fact that it can be played. But there's no point in doing so since it can't be patched. [quote]You say that researching the game prior would not notify you of cd keys being tied to accounts, yet in less than 30 seconds I found several websites stating this by using a search engine for researching the issue.[/quote] I searched for "sins of a solar empire" + drm and a
[quote]now your not even trying anymore[/quote] Ok, then what else were you expecting me to say? [quote]Again and again, you claim the game is DRM crippled, yet no DRM exists.[/quote] [quote]Maybe next time you should do research into software prior to acquiring it.[/quote] If you research the game the only thing you'll find out is that the game has no DRM, [i]which is a lie[/i]. [quote]Or just stop being cheap and buy a new copy instead of trying to save
[quote]You even italicised the words "so in the original post". Are you trying to change your own words?[/quote] If you had taken the time to compare the two, you might have noticed that I did say it in the second post, which I consider to be the original post since the first one is meaningless at this stage. It's not that hard to figure out. [quote](unable to remember prices, shop name, manual included or not, etc)[/quote] Uh... where did I say I can't remember the store
[quote]Troll. Now I'm sure of it, beyond a shadow of a doubt.[/quote] The only thing I'm sure about is that you have no counter-arguments whatsoever. [quote]They assumed it would work and they were wrong.[/quote] It's a valid assumption since most games do work (at least over here in the real world, where I live). [quote]Incidentally, are you posting this rant on the Valve and various MMO forums as well?[/quote] No and no (and what do MMOs have to do with
[quote]This post of yours made me lol. Hard. Rofl even. Seriously, learn the meaning of the terms you use before you use them.[/quote] What a devastating rebuttal. [quote]Secondhand sales are as bad, if not worse than piracy. In an abstract sense they are the same thing, although one is much faster, and the other stands to profit more.[/quote] Yes, and buying a used car is even worse than stealing one. Anything that doesn't result in more profit for corporations, such as
[quote]And any company that sells second hand games should take two point six seconds to actually open the box that was just returned and see if there is a serial number on a game card anywhere inside.[/quote] Most games have serials but they aren't connected to anything, they're just a method of copy protection. I don't understand what you are trying to say. [quote]If they don't understand the products that they're selling, then they really have no business selling them in th
[quote]You amaze me every time I read your responses (and dont bother with the "you didnt argue any of my points" answer. Heard it already, still boring.) I do love the way your answers change the contex of every line without proof or direction.[/quote] So in other words you were unable to find a single flaw in of my arguments. [quote]Bottom line: the shop you bought it from violated the law. It's as simple as that.[/quote] What would you know about my country's legislati
[quote]don't assume it makes you look stupied[/quote] I wasn't assuming, I was stating a fact. There's a difference. [quote]The fundamental disagreement here is over who owes what to second-hand customers in the case of software.[/quote] No, the fundamental disagreement is actually whether or not corporations should be allowed to do anything they want in the name of greed (and the answer is no). [quote]He did not buy it from a licensed reseller. He bought it fr
[quote]They made this choice to encorage first sales, not prevent second. That, however, is an by-product. [/quote] So they decided to encourage first sales by preventing second sales, yet this does not mean that they decided to prevent second sales. Uh... okay. Makes sense. [quote]reqwarding people that give them money seems like a good idea.[/quote] (Insert any reprehensible behavior here) seems like a good idea. [quote]I disagree. What
[quote]Also, I don't know if you caught Kryo's response in page 1 or 2 or so, but I think you'll find Stardock's reason for not being willing to help you out to be to do with the fact that the original owner is still able to download and play the game, thanks to Impulse (and the digital download of even retail purchased games)[/quote] They're able to keep playing because the game lacks copy protection, which is a choice that the developers/publishers made. [quote]It's not opti
[quote]Most people are unaware of some of the advantages our system has. GalCiv II standard, Sins standard edition and Demigod standard edition are all $39.95 games in an age where most new games are $10 to $20 more. When we do things that streamline our support costs and our development process we pass those savings on to users which, I think, most people would say is a good thing.[/quote] I fail to understand how blocking second hand sales streamlines supp
[quote]Is it neccicary to use language like that to bring your point across. Does it make your point more correct or more incorrect by trying to bulldoze your way through other people.[/quote] Does complaining about my language disprove anything I've said here? [quote]I dont actually care what the answer is to this, im using it as an example. This question has been avoided/bypassed multiple times, but when someone else on the forum gives a unsubstantiated/dismissive answer the
[quote]can i call him stupied/retarded now?[/quote] I'm stupid for pointing out the fact that someone changed the subject? Please tell me more about your fascinating logic. [quote]Actually it is. A transaction is legal only if it is between a customer and a licensed reseller. And unless your friend went and bought a license from Stardock/Calypso, I don't think he's legally able to sell you his game. Stardock/Ironclad offers customer support. It means it doesn't have to offer s
[quote]Calling people stupid is a bad choice. Consider this a warning from a moderator. [/quote] It was the only choice, since he was being stupid. Obviously I was not referring to physical harm. [quote]If you`re going to play games on you`re PC, This is the way it is.[/quote] For the billionth time: this is rare. This is the exception. This is not the norm. [quote]How much did you pay stardok...................................................... <br
[quote]You are "free loading" because you never paid a dime to Stardock. You paid the used game store, yes, but NOT STARDOCK.[/quote] I am paying money and thus not free-loading. Where the money ends up is of no consequence. [quote]Also how would distrubuting the patches in the "old-fashioned way" alleviate their bandwidth costs? Do you seriously think places like fileplanet host files for these companies free of charge?[/quote] I've never heard of download si
[quote]Several people have calmly explained to you already why your argument is fundamentally flawed. Stardock didn't rip you or anyone else off; the original owner ripped off the store they resold it to.[/quote] There is no warning anywhere on the package, and witholding patches from people who have a used copy is unreasonable and harmful to consumers. [quote]The reason you're "free loading" if you have a second hand copy is that you never paid Stardock for any of the b
[quote]After reading all 5 pages of this post[/quote] [quote]Well you have two options 1) Take it back where you brought it from.[/quote] [quote]Honestly I don't know why you just didn't take it back to where you brought it from that would have been the first thing I did. Im sure if you had you would have got your money back.[/quote] If you readh the whole thread, how come you're unaware of the fact that I already returned it? [quote]But again after further thought m
[quote]Here's the thing, it's frustrating, but have you ever dealt with something worse, such as SecuROM?[/quote] I've never had any problems with SecuROM. [quote]In that scenario, which do you find yourself preferring?[/quote] You're presenting a false dilemma. [quote]The truth is, you want to play this game, you just want to get it on the cheap, or even free.[/quote] I bought it because it happened to be there and because I had heard it's good. Now
[quote]You. Get. What. You. Pay. For.[/quote] And with nearly all other games you get patches whether or not you bought a new or used copy. Wake up. [quote]I think that Steam and Impulse are on the cutting edge and while both may go through growing pains they are doing well finding a balance between the needs of both users and publishers/developers.[/quote] Valve uses excessive DRM. They could, if they wanted to, disable every single Steam game in existence. [q
[quote]Let's do an analogy here. You ignorantly buy the keys to a car but the ownership and insurance papers are still in the name of the original owner. Sure you can still drive around and shit, but when a cop pulls you over and asks for your papers youre fucked.[/quote] Explain to me how a person can anticipate that SoaSE utilizes a method of DRM that renders used copies of the game worthless, especially when everyone keeps saying that the game has no DRM whatsoever. <p
