epiclulz

[quote]So according to you, the game's resale value is less when it can't be updated or played online... Also, according to you, the game was a used box with 50% off... Hmm... I don't know why, but I think there's a correlation in there somewhere.[/quote] As has already been said over, over, over, over, over and over again, the kind of DRM utilized by SoaSE is still uncommon. Until very recently a used game's functionality did not diminish or disappear (MMORPGs etc.

[quote]False again.[/quote] Nope. The game's resale value is gone since it can't be updated, upgraded or played online. [quote]Of course your 'resale' argument leads me closer and closer to the conclusion that you actually work for this independent computer game store.[/quote] Well of course. The notion that I would want to be able to update, upgrade and multiplay my copy of SoaSE is obviously absurd.

[quote]False. You can install SoaSE on all the computers in the world using the same disc. And every single one of them would be playable at the very same time.[/quote] Once you register the game the resale value is gone, so there's only one install. [quote]We are not limiting your ability to use your purchased game. We are simply not providing you support or any post-release content. [/quote] How clever, you redefine "use" to exclude patching, upgrading and multipl

[quote]denial by you[/quote] What denial? [quote]You have no arguments here.[/quote] I've presented plenty of arguments in this thread (which you obviously haven't read). [quote]I love how he completely ignores the parts about EA giving limited installs. Chances are he's going to ignore this post too though as it doesn't follow his points.[/quote] EA provides more installs than Stardock does, and at least you won't hear them claim that they don't use

[quote]denial by you[/quote] What denial? [quote]You have no arguments here.[/quote] I've presented plenty of arguments in this thread (which you obviously haven't read). [quote]I love how he completely ignores the parts about EA giving limited installs. Chances are he's going to ignore this post too though as it doesn't follow his points.[/quote] EA provides more installs than Stardock does, and at least you won't hear them claim that they don't use

[quote]Yes in fact they have. You have brought in foreigh countries, ignorence and the moon in as arguments..........wait what.[/quote] You're taking bits and pieces out of context. And the rest of your post is basically "you're wrong," which is to say that you have no counter-arguments whatsoever. [quote]What greedy unethical business practises![/quote] The ones I've mentioned in this thread. [quote]So yes go die in a fire you fuckin wak job.[

[quote]Why are you guys still humoring this one. All and let me type this again ALL of epiclulz points and arguments(if you can call it that) have been blown out of the water as if by vasari minespam.[/quote] No they haven't.

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[quote who="The_Regicide" reply="23" id="2007652"]Epiclulz... go die in a fire.[/quote] I deserve to die because of Stardock's greedy and unethical business practises? Okay, that makes sense. [quote who="nwgomatrix" reply="25" id="2008081"]Obviously the OP doesn't want to listen to anything but propaganda thats in-line with his opinions.[/quote] What propaganda?

[quote]Sins of a Solar Empire, the game, has no DRM. None. Zero. Zilch.[/quote] Also, we never landed on the moon. [quote]You know what else you can do once you register the game? You can put it back in the box, go back to your incredibly badly informed and mostly retarded game store and return it, claiming it doesn't work. The incredivly badly informed and mostly retarded game store will then sell it to someone else.[/quote] For the millionth billionth time, the store wa

[quote]So move out of hypothetical in to the real world - What country do you live in? Let us check if in your country ignorance of the law is a valid legal defense (this is the second time I am asking this question).[/quote] What does it matter whether or not it's a valid legal defense here? [quote]Crippling? Here's some examples for you:[/quote] Not the same thing. A used copy of SoaSE does not have the same functionality as a new copy, and that's why a used copy is cri

[quote]I would say that it is playable as designed off the CD. I would say it is not crippled.[/quote] And I would say that you're either lying or delusional. Again, the game cannot be updated, upgraded or played online. It is crippled. [quote]Also, in terms of profit . . they made none from you.[/quote] That's not what this is about. Don't try to change the subject.

[quote]Just yours.[/quote] I repeat, in terms of profit it does not matter who buys the game. It is also amusing how you're trying to make me the bad guy here, as if I had done something wrong by being conned by Stardock & co and then complaining about it here. [quote]I dispute it. So there.[/quote] You are saying that the game [i]can[/i] be updated, played online and expanded even when you don't have a serial key attached to your account?

[quote]No, I believe he ment stardock does not want your personal business and could care less about your problem.[/quote] Which is to say that they don't care about money, because in terms of profit it doesn't matter who buys their games. [quote]So why should they admit they are making the game useless as a used product, since it is only in your imagination that this is the case?[/quote] It is an indisputable fact that the game is crippled. Patching is rendered imp

[quote]If our system keeps people liek epiclulz from using/buying our stuff, then I would say it's a feature.[/quote] So now you don't care about money at all? Ok, cool. Does that mean you'll start offering the game for free? [quote]I think Epiclulz is being purposely obtuse. We don't do anything at all to prevent people from selling their games.[/quote] You cripple the game so that it isn't worth anything as a used product, and anyone familiar with its DRM won't want to

[quote]The box describes what the game is, not what it isn't. If the latter were the case we would need an extremely large box[/quote] This isn't about the game, this is about the DRM used by the game. [quote]It's a heck of a lot more likely than the chances we will based on the attitude and langauge you've displayed thus far. A calm, polite request can go a long way; hurling insults and foul language just makes you look like a jerk.[/quote] Why do you e

[quote]When people accuse you of being a troll, you demand proof and refute the accusation. So, if you are not a troll, why are you so sensitive when people talk about trolls and you act like they were talking about you?[/quote] You're still not making any logical sense. [quote]I'm not questioning your ability or your right to change the topic/subject mid-debate. I'm saying that when others do it, you complain, but yet you do the same thing yourself and justify it by calling i

[quote]I want to know. I wont shop at a store chain that doesn't do buisness properly.[/quote] It's not a chain, it's a small independent store. And what is improper about their business practises? [quote]Your hypothetical example is bullshit.[/quote] No, it is not. [quote]Just in case if you did get it the first time around.[/quote] You're quoting out of context and you know it. I had no way of knowing what [i]type of[/i] DRM the game has, but I, like any

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[quote]But Serial can be transferred.... it have already happen... and more... a guy here have post that he have proof to Stardock that he was the owner of the CD/DVD by given the nummer embedded on the disk inner ring... and miracle, he receive a new serial...[/quote] There is no automated process for detaching a serial key, and having a serial key tied to an account is unnecessary to begin with. There wouldn't be any problems if the serial key didn't have to be tied to an account.<br /

[quote]You should look further than the end of your nose.[/quote] Again, I saw nothing. [quote]They wouldn't. You can't wipe your ass or blow your nose in a country with a goverment like China or North Korea and they make damn sure that you know that and understand the rules. "Suprise laws" don't exist. Obscure ones, yes suprise ones, no.[/quote] Read the sentence again. I said they [i]could[/i] if they [i]wanted to[/i]. [quote]

Right now I'm debating againts people, as if that wasn't already plainly obvious.

[quote]STARVE THE TROLL![/quote] Trolling accusations: the last refuge of the incompetent. [quote]Actually I smell a pirate who likes to tell stories....[/quote] I had no idea that buying a used game now constitutes piracy. [quote]And we return to the opinion vs. fact arguement. And since the facts are (in this case) controlled by Stardock and Ironclad . . the case against it is moot again.[/quote] Well shit, I guess

[quote]Incidentally, I just plugged 'Sins of a Solar Empire DRM' into Google and at least the first three articles to show up speak to the fact that a valid account linked to your CD key is required for patching.[/quote] I never saw anything like that. [quote]So? It is SD/IC's product/software, so it is up to SD/IC to decide the terms/conditions of how the software can be used. Since when did SD/IC have to seek approval from you for them to act the way that they do?[/quote]<br

[quote]Thier continued existence is based around helping the customers of thier company and to prevent expliotation of the company's product. Don't go crying a river if customer loss, product expliotation prevention is such a problem for you.[/quote] Second hand sales aren't product exploitation, they're second hand sales. The game industry is not special. [quote]No you haven't but you have been carrying around what you think you are entitled to in your mind. I was hoping you