P.F.E.T.O.M. agrees while annoying, it punishes those who dont scout properly now. You cant blame the mines for user error and proper placement by the minelayer.

You can, up to a point. Just jump out from a different side.

Still, it is annoying to have mines right at jump-in.. not disputing that

Mines don't take 30 seconds to detonate Ships jumping into the middle of a minefield stand no chance, really.

I flip flop on the short game long game thing, i played tonight, and was on for about 2 hours, had a small fleet, 5 caps, 5 diciples, 5 Siege and 2 scouts. I had 3 planets. Vasari had i think 5 or 6. I was playing as Advent. the credits came slow and slow.     But i just got some hostile factories and some non-hostile and built up slow. I went to the Pirate base and actually survived.      I was suprised!!  And then started toward the Vasari homeworld, but had to stop the game. It was very enjoyable. I know slow, but it was interesting taking the time, and each ship was like more important.

Sometimes with the mods i used to get a huge fleet fairly quickly, usually in an 45 minutes or an hour and then have these huge battles. They were fun too, but well... haha, i guess i just like the change. But it was very nice playing slow and building up slow. Endless games.

I was thinking that is not such a bad thing, i'm even thinking of turning down the weapon damage a notch or so on all the ships just to make the battles longer.     Silly maybe, but im enjoying it. 

If you want faster games or different stats, just mod it.    You can change any of the values you are asking about. Dont mean to sound you know, like you have to, but it might be more fun for you, if you tweak them a little and its not so frustrating.

Just a thought,

-Teal

As I said in my own feedback...

I love Entrenchment...

It plays really well even in beta stage...

It doesn't crash, at least on my system...

etc...

All positive and great

HOWEVER!

Be prepared to book week off work if you fancy to play bigger SP map while MP, in my humble opinion, received final blow since already way too long games will become so much longer and therefor impossible to complete within reasonable time frame...  

the expansion can make the longer for both sp and mp. what he meant was that in mp it is a bigger problem, because while you technically can save and continue some other time, that just never happens with random people. in sp you play for as long as you want, pause, continue another day. in mp, you basically have to finish it in one sitting and since most people get tired after 2 - 3 hours give or take, that's just the maximum length the game can be. and so with the expansion he worries that more games will cross the maximum acceptable length for most people.

and to be honest, I can understand. I love sins for its pace and its not being rushed. but if you played a game for 2 hours + and there is still no end in sight ... sometimes it's cool, but sometimes that can get strenuous.

Personally, I like an epic strategy game that isn't decided in 30 minutes.  Even for multiplayer.

Well, in most cases you can jump in from another side. With the 150 mines limit it will be difficult to heavily mine the entire possible jump-in arc.. you'd just have to pay attention to how the mines are placed and be good at estimating where you need to jump from to land in the sweet spot.

But.... that's way more work than you should have to do. I've said it in many places and I'll say it again - Scouts' mine detection should disable abilities on the mines it detects so that they don't detonate when your fleet jumps on top of them. Send in a few scouts and follow up with your fleet a few seconds later. The mines will all be disabled and you can blow them up before moving in.

You could still mine jump-in points to catch unprepared jumpers off-guard and that's ok. But it also wouldn't take an extraordinary amount of effort for a prepared player to counter the strategy.

You know, im just a SP player, so my MP suggestions may suck, but couldnt the rules for MP be different? I mean, what if there were map setups, where everyone "starts" with a small fleet already built.  Or maybe every player could start with a larger cash roll than an ordinary SP game, say 5 times as much?  Or there could be lower costs in MP.

I'm not trying to ruin your guys games, you know better than i what it is you think will make it better, but im just trying to think of some things that could make games less frustrating, and less long, without losing the fun. Anyway, just a few thoughts, maybe we could start a MP Suggestions thread, where we are less critical, and try to think of some ways to make something that will work. If we did the devs can certainly see it, and maybe take some of those things and give them a try?

Hope i dont sound like an idiot, but just wanted to try to say something that might help.

-Teal

I didn't check, can you place mines all the way in the grav well or are they restricted to the same smaller radius as normal buildings? if the later, you could try jumping at the very outer edge of the well as opposed to the inner edge that is used most of the time. if not ... well, it could be changed to the smaller radius, could it not?

U have to spam TONS of mines to make it likely enemy ships will hit a few.  You'll spend more on the mines than the enemy will spend on lost ships.  Mines aren't broken, they should be allowed to be placed at the edge of the grav well.

If you go in with a decent-sized carrier fleet (with caps/crusers to protect them) of 20 to 40 bombers, you can sit at the far edge of the grav well and send you squadrons to take the starbase apart.  Unless your opponent has a moble force close, you can destroy the starbase with little/no loss to your fleet.  Make sure you set your attack to local only, so your escort ships don't try to take the starbase on directly.

pek

I get that a lot, but I don't think you understood that disabling the mine would go hand in hand with detection. If it's detected, it's disabled. If the scout leaves the range, it's enabled.

Essentially, you still have to spend time clearing the minefield (as I agree is the intention), because you probably won't be allowed to micromanage your scouts to create a "disabled mines" zone where your fleet can sit comfortably, and a few scouts in the fleet do not have sufficient detection range to cover passage of a moderate/large fleet, especially with combat movement.

I'm basically trying to tailor my suggestion to address 2 specific issues while not breaking the intended design of the mines:

1) Jumping in on top of mines. To be honest, only 3-4 mines need to explode to take out a bulk of the fleet if they land right on top of them. The remaining ships would be severely injured and pose little challenge. Especially, all LRF and anti-structure ships would go poof. With that, it is a lot easier to drop mines along the jump-in arc than it is to predict where to jump to avoid them.

2) Maneuvering. A lot of ships generally have fairly wide turning arcs, and ranges short enough that they can't safely turn in time to avoid them. It is possible to micromanage your fleet to be safe, but if you're jumping into a hostile well with an enemy fleet, hangars, and starbase, you can't really allow your scouts to bravely go forth because they'd get ripped to shreds before they get anything done. So what do you do when you need to make that starbase shoot something other than your scouts trying to keep mines detected?

That's why I think disabling mines that are currently detected by a scout would be a bit more forgiving in these situations. It by no means renders minefields useless, just helps cut down on the pain of clearing them.