Coelocanth

You know what: I am sorry that I offended you. I freely admit the post was borne of frustration. For that I apologize - and apologies to DethAdder as well. But you're wrong about the reason why I'm frustrated with this. It's not because I can't convince people to convert to my line of thinking. It's the repeated posts of 'they should have included it on the disc' when it's been clearly explained they couldn't. And it's also been clearly explained why Warden's Keep isn't free. What I

Sorry if that offended you, but it comes down to this: do you think the devs are lying to you or not? I don't. If you do, that's fine. Then I suggest you don't buy their games any more. But until I see something concrete that indicates they're lying to us, I'm going to give them the beneft of the doubt, especially since I've had nothing but good experinces with BioWare to this point. And especially since they've given some pretty in-depth explanations of why this content is not on the disc.</

[quote who="DethAdder" reply="72" id="2418759"]...when in fact they could of just sold Dragon Age:Origins Period, everything included.[/quote] What part about this is everyone missing? Unless you truly believe the devs are lying to everyone, the DLC (Warden's Keep and Stone Prisoner) could not be included on the disc. You get the Stone Prisoner for free when you buy a new copy. You don't get the Warden's Keep free. Why? Because it was always intended to be for-pay DLC and nev

Not sure of your point, Luckmann. The extra here is The Stone Prisoner. You buy the game new, you get it for free. You buy a used copy, you either have to get the previous owner's account (which is unlikely) or you can buy it if you want it. Just not seeing the issue here, but I don't generally buy used games.

No, there are only six origin stories, but apparently the first 2 to 3 hours in-game for each story is different (as well as some later events/reactions), and the origin stories are supposed to be quite well done.

I noticed it. But I have to admit I have no issue with that. If that's the way they're going to 'combat' the used market, I say go for it. I have no issues as long as the game they release is a fully functional product and the extras are only that: extras. In the case of DA:O this is the situation.

[quote who="TatertotEatalot" reply="131" id="2415341"] Also why choose a dwarven mage? Tough it out![/quote] You can't be a Dwarf mage. Dwarves can't be mages at all in the game. Warrior or Rogue only.

If you're playing the PC version, just make them in the toolset.

[quote who="NickJames" reply="39" id="2412351"] This whole problem could have been avoided by holding back the DLC for 3 months. Release it at a point when the community wanted it, Not when they don`t.[/quote] But the community does want it - or a large portion of it does. They can't win. If it was ever found out they held back DLC that could have been available on day 1, they'd still get bitching that they cut content to sell later. Absolute

[quote who="Nesrie" reply="34" id="2412168"]If DA is full of bugs, and seems bare, then there is no excuse, no matter how they word it, for DLC.[/quote] I agree 100% with you on that. [quote]Also, since when did we as gamers actually believe what publishers say? They have a history of lying to fans only to be caught later, especially EA.[/quote] But it's not the publisher saying this, it's the BioWare devs. I've had great experiences with BioWare and I trust the devs.

[quote who="ZehDon" reply="32" id="2411997"]however in my opinion having paid DLC available at release is milking your fans because the work is done, it's finished and it could quite easily be included on the retail disc - the only reason it's not included is profit, and this is the reason why EA Games is very unpopular because they don't treat their fans very well, and it's fans who pay a little more for a little more to play.[/quote] This isn't the case for Dragon Age

[quote who="Filthgrinder" reply="21" id="2411293"]Personally I have lost interest in Dragon Age. I was jumping for joy when they said it was a "Baldurs Gate" followup, but after reading they don't have consequenses in actions, no negative reactions etc I was bummed out. [/quote] Where did you read that? That's certainly not what's being said about the game on any site I've been reading.

The items are minor at best and won't make a huge difference in your game. If you get the PC version, you'll have the toolset and will be able to make any of those items (or better ones) if you want. I wouldn't get tied in a knot about those incentives. Wilebill: 'nickel and dime you to death'? The only thing you have to pay extra for (if you want it) is Warden's Keep - assuming you don't buy the Digital Deluxe edition, with which you get it for free.

Finally found a copy at a local shop. W00t! This will nicely fill the gap until Dragon Age is unleashed.

Since I can't seem to figure the link system out here, I'll just post it this way: http://greywardens.com/overview/ This has a listing of all currently available bonus items for DA:O, with descriptions of their bonuses and what retailers offer them.

[quote who="EmperorXavior" reply="17" id="2406688"] Source?[/quote] http://daforums.bioware.com/viewtopic.html?topic=698284&forum=135&highlight=character%20creator Second post. *bloody hell. Too used to the way links work on other forums.*

[quote who="Kodiak888" reply="104" id="2404835"] The game does look very promising. I'm happy that the DRM is very reasonable. I am unhappy that on the release day, there will be a (if you pay for it) DLC released. It seems ridiculous that if I buy a brand new game on release day that I'm already missing out on content, unless I pony up $10 more dollars...[/quote] The only DLC you have to pay for is Warden' Keep, and it's $7. If you buy the digital download C

[quote who="GeneralEtrius" reply="40" id="2402232"] If your computer crashes or something like that, can you redownload the game?[/quote] Yes. Download Protection is free. From their FAQ: What is D2D Download Protection? Being gamers ourselves, D2D knows that there are always those unexpected occurrences—like your hard drive frying or a virus infection—that threaten your precious digital content. D2D's Download Pro

Coolness. A question though: the previous release didn't seem to want to play nice with dual monitors and Display Fusion installed. Any idea if version 1.0 will cooperate with Display Fusion?

[quote who="GeneralEtrius" reply="37" id="2401468"]Hey, thanks for the alert about direct2drive. However, I have a question. Do you have to download a client like impulse, or does it just download the games?[/quote] You can choose either method: just DL the game (Comes as a setup.exe file. You'll have to input a key to activate the game once installed) or D2D has an installer if you want to use that (I never use it).

[quote who="Nesrie" reply="46" id="2401353"]We'll just have to wait and see how DLC with high prices happy EA will be with DA.[/quote] That's basically my philosophy. There's nothing wrong with a little healthy skepticism, but I like to give even organizations like EA a chance before I condemn them.

[quote who="Nesrie" reply="44" id="2401245"] Quoting ZehDon, reply 43 it's the point of it that rubs me the wrong way; to ensure paying customers have less access to the purchased product than pirates have to the illegally copied product. I am with you on that one. DRM has not "hurt" my computer yet either. I am not convinced that it can't happen, but DRM punishes the paying consumer. It always has. If you don't like EA's DLC tendency, then lookout at Dragon Age is going to have pa

I'd love to see someonedo a comparison. I know I get th absolute fastest DL speeds from Impulse (generally around 1.2 to 1.5 MB/s). Some of those other 'services' are pathetically slow.

I plan on picking it up if they ever manage to get a bloody retail copy in the game shops here.

I played the demo or Risen and will definitely be buying it. I enjoyed Fallout3 (I liked the VATS system). Check out D2D's sale if you're looking at CoH. 5 bucks for CoH gold this week. Haven't played the others.